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Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier
AP/Newser.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2011 | Genaro C. Armas

Posted on 11/09/2011 7:30:27 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: buccaneer81

Right. As if PSUs liability is now diminished with these firings. You know as well as I do that the lawsuits are going to be vast, and that the trustees themselves are still not out of the woods yet. All the firings did today was a little bit of CYA in the hopes of slowing the carnage before it hits their doorsteps. This is yet another reason why people here should be at least a tiny bit skeptical about these immediate firings. THINK, instead of feeling your way through the issue, just for a few minutes! It won’t hurt. I promise.


381 posted on 11/09/2011 10:04:16 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: techworker

I believe so far, we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg.


382 posted on 11/09/2011 10:04:20 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Teacher317
why does PSU hand down these punishments within HOURS of the facts coming to light? And why are the punishments beyond what most mandated reporrters (like teachers, police, and social workers) get for their first failure to report?

Why, you ask? Why?!!!

Are you effing serious?!!!

A ten-year-old boy is sodomized by a serial homosexual child-rapist and all you care about is the "inordinate" punishment (mere firing) of those who turned a blind eye to this assault and failed to report it to the police?!

Are you effing for real?

383 posted on 11/09/2011 10:04:27 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Colofornian
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384 posted on 11/09/2011 10:04:51 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Teacher317; buccaneer81
"The Constitution protects the public, including public employees, from deprivations of life, liberty, or property without due process.

Paterno is still alive...nobody's boiled him in a pot...yet...
Liberty? He's not behind bars; and no charges have been filed against him...he's free to roam like us...but hey, he'll need a ticket to get in the game...like us...Certain rights belong only to CURRENT coaches.
Property? What? Has somebody already sued him and won? Even then, that would be due process, wouldn't it?

Even if you could make it stick that Paterno has somehow lost liberty, even you just posted: "A public employee’s liberty interest can be triggered by a discharge under certain publicly stigmatizing circumstances."

I'd say these were "publicly stigmatizing circumstances," wouldn't you?

As for the underlying point of quoting that, are you claiming that football coaches & university officials with contracts are unfire-able? You're not claiming that little diddy, are you?

385 posted on 11/09/2011 10:05:11 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: NewinTexsas; All

ESPN Live:

Cops now spraying mace on unruly crowd members.


386 posted on 11/09/2011 10:05:19 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Grad student’s report didn’t happen till ‘02. First investigation was at the behest of a parent in ‘98, Sandusky retired shortly after that after Paterno denied him the head coach job.


387 posted on 11/09/2011 10:06:12 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Big Red Clay

I hear you Big Red... well voiced.


388 posted on 11/09/2011 10:06:15 PM PST by Husker8877
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To: Teacher317

I have to wonder whom you’ve enabled in your storied unionized career.


389 posted on 11/09/2011 10:06:25 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: tcrlaf

After the police are finished there, they should head on down to Zuccoti Park.


390 posted on 11/09/2011 10:07:27 PM PST by gusty
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To: del4hope
"Can we know really trust the schools, who are teaching children that this behavior is normal, to go to them privately before going to LE authorities about the perp?"

No we can't trust them, because there's been plenty of news stories in recent years, of cover-ups of sex abuse committed by teachers in schools in this country.

391 posted on 11/09/2011 10:09:08 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: little jeremiah

LJ, few here are condemning the molester. They are attacking the “enablers” (with very little understanding of who knew what and when). That is what I am referring to. Slow down and read. Again, one of my main points is that few even know the molesters name.... Everyone is talking about McCreary and Paterno. Neither has ever touched a child as far as anyone knows... And yet they are being vilified nearly universally. That is wrong, in my opinion. What they did (potentially failed to report ENOUGH) is NOTHING compared to what happened to the children. Why is it that the admins are getting hit first and harder than Sandusky so far? That is a question that should be addressed. Now do you understand what I’m talking about?


392 posted on 11/09/2011 10:09:19 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: tcrlaf

Arrest them expell them and shut the program down yesterday.


393 posted on 11/09/2011 10:10:38 PM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Teacher317
I have no idea when the investigations into the rapist began..

Round I of investigations: 1998
Round II of investigations: Late 2008 or early 2009-->last week
Round III of investigations: Once this story brook, resulting in more forthcoming victims

It seems that for most posting here, the investigation began with this mornings breaking news.

Well, of course. But if you're really a teacher, how in the world could you possibly discount the ability of a student to get VERY up to date on a subject in a short period of time due to the internet?

You express yourself as if we still lived in the days of Encyclopedia Britannicas...when it'd take a bit of time to "weed thru" sources and facts.

The Internet at times, yes, leads us to "pre-judge" something minus all the facts; but that doesn't mean it does so all the time, in every case.

You essentially have insulted our intelligence on this thread by discounting our ability to "catch up" in a hurry on a subject...provided we use MANY, MANY RELIABLE sources so that we can compare and contrast truth claims.

394 posted on 11/09/2011 10:12:10 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: MrEdd

Thanks for pinging me to this thread. There are three horrible things.

1. The crimes committed by Sandusky or whatever his name is.

2. The obvious cover up - FOR YEARS - by a great many people (and the very possible pedophile crimes commmitted by others.).

3. The pooh-poohing of people ON THIS THREAD of vile crimes that deserve the death penalty. And that death penalty should happen as soon as he (or they) is found guilty.

Making light of sex crimes against children is beyond destructive and I am at a loss for words.

Ping me if that a**hole gets zotted. Sorry for language. I’m sick and angry.


395 posted on 11/09/2011 10:12:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Colofornian
LOL you counter your own point...

if you could make it stick that Paterno has somehow lost liberty, even you just posted: "A public employee’s liberty interest can be triggered by a discharge under certain publicly stigmatizing circumstances

since these ARE publicly stigmatizing circumstances, Paternos liberty interests ARE at stake, as you just posted. Ergo, he can easily raise a potential claim that Due Process has been violated.

396 posted on 11/09/2011 10:12:40 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Teacher317

The admins, except Curley and Shultz, have only lost employment. The monster Sandusky has been indicted with 40 felony counts. I will settle for unemployment for the admins with Sandusky riding Old Sparky into the great beyond.


397 posted on 11/09/2011 10:14:16 PM PST by gusty
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To: Teacher317

“So tell me why are the PSU folk getting far worse punishments than most other mandated reporters? And why so quickly?”

‘Success, with Honor’...
There was NO HONOR AT ALL in this situation, just CYA and denial.


398 posted on 11/09/2011 10:15:01 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: junta

ESPN reports minor rioting...satellite truck overturned, light poles down, police dogs loosed.


399 posted on 11/09/2011 10:15:03 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: little jeremiah

Still here. Never once said that the children didn’t go through something terrible. I’ve spent every post here focusing on why everyone BUT Sandusky is getting thrown under the bus, in a matter of hours. Sandusky raped children.... But we are all focused on a variety of other people. Not one person on this long thread has asked why Sandusky hasn’t been indicted yet! Doesn’t that make you stop and think for just one little tiny moment?


400 posted on 11/09/2011 10:15:32 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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