Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.
Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.
At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.
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My wife is a teacher.
They are required by law to notify authorities in situations like this. Not school officials, but Child protective services at the very least.
Even on hearsay.
Ramcat, I'm over 50, so I don't have many heroes left. Joe Paterno was one of them until yesterday.
I took the time to read the Grand Jury Presentment.
First, there is one thing that is missing from the Presentment. After you notice that it's missing, you get this empty feeling in your gut. The Presentment follows the four men - McQuery, Paterno, Curley, and Schultz. It specifically goes over what Party A tells Party B, and what Party B tells Party C, and so forth. If Party B disagrees with Party A about what was told, then the Presentment sets forth both sides of the story.
Everywhere except once.
The Presentment is very, very careful not to mention what McQuery told the investigators that he told Paterno. All other conversations between all parties - even if they met multiple times - are detailed. McQuery told his father it was anal rape. McQuery told Curley it was anal rape. McQuery told Curley and Schultz it was anal rape. McQuery meets again and says it was anal rape. Schultz says he only heard "wrestling" and Sandusky may have accidentally grabbed a boy's genitals. Curley says he heard x. And so forth.
But the Presentment is careful never to state what McQuery says he told Paterno. It only says what Paterno says he was told.
Maybe Paterno wasn't told. But you have to wonder why McQuery would put himself in the position of incurring the wrath of his former coach, the man he still works for today, the man who WAS Penn State. Why would McQuery tell his father, 'anal rape,' then tell Joe Paterno something different, and then tell everyone after that 'anal rape'?
Second, Paterno didn't witness it first-hand. But neither did Curley or Schultz. So they were supposed to involve the police on hearsay, but Paterno wasn't? The Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner publicly stated yesterday that Paterno failed his moral obligation to report this to the police.
Third, it appears the first charges against Sandusky surfaced in 1994, when he was an active coach, Paterno's good friend and defensive coordinator, and the heir apparent to the PSU coaching job. Then, in 1998, the University Police investigated Sandusky for multiple incidents involving boys and the football showers. In 1998, a Penn State player couldn't drink an extra beer without JoePa knowing about it. You don't think he knew that his defensive coordinator was being investigated for molesting boys in the football showers? And now - does it make sense why Sandusky unexpectedly announced his 'early retirement' in 1999?
But instead of being kicked to the curb, which Joe Paterno could have done, Sandusky was given emeritus status, with an office in the athletic building, a parking spot, keys to the athletic facilities, tuition discounts for his kids, an internet accounts, and perquisites . . . such as bringing boys with him to football practices, and pre-game football banquets, and to tour the football locker room whenever he wanted.
And so, when McQueary reported to JoePa on a Saturday morning that Sandusky was in the shower with a young (ten year-old) boy the night before, you don't think JoePa would be curious? Or remorseful?
And why did JoePa wait to repot the incident until the next day? And when the police were never called, and Sandusky still had his office, and was still showing up at football events, and was being allowed to host SLEEPOVER camps for boys using the football facilities, you don't think Paterno should have asked a few questions?
In 2002, the AD, Curley, was Paterno's superior only on a organizational chart. If Paterno wanted Curley to call the University Police, he would have told him to do it, and Curley would have done it. Paterno could have called the President directly, or told Curley to do it. Paterno could have told the Trustees to meet at his house and told them to yank Sandusky's emeritus status, if that's what it took.
But he turned a blind eye to the fact that the guy that was booted from the program in 1999 for molesting boys in the football showers still had access to the football showers. And was still bringing boys there. And he was letting the guy bring boys to pre-game banquets. And use the football facilities for sleepover camps.
Is any of this beginning to give you a sick feeling about Paterno? Because he was my one and only hero among NCAA football coaches. And now I know that, to avoid bringing shame on Penn State by disclosing that a pedophile was associated with it, he let the pedophile continue to use the Penn State football program as the 'candy' to continue luring young boys into those showers.
Yes. And Paterno has agreed to testify against Schultz and Curley. Too obvious.
Then there is the 2002 incident. Gricar disappears in 2005. The HD to his laptop is found in the river.
Former Penn State Coach Prosecutor Center of Missing Man Mystery
Please remove me from the PA ping list, I’ve moved to the Sunshine State :)
Discussed in more detail in other threads.
It changes the whole meaning of what you implied.
In the one incident, the mother contacted law and they investigated.
And they declined to file charges, just simply warning him not to shower with kids.
What was Paterno supposed to do about that?
Other than, maybe, tell Sandusky he's through which he apparently did.
By the time 2011 rolled around the guy shouldn't have still been hanging around PennState.
Maybe, but Paterno wouldn't have had the power to kick him out. Sandusky was a prof emeritus.
I'm not so sure he was hanging around PSU that much in 2011, btw. The abuse investigation started in 2008 & he was booted out of Second Mile that year because of it.
“Take your BS to a Buckeye site”
At ease Francis. I barely know what a Buckeye is...and really don’t care.
From the indictment:
-Sandusky holds emeritus status
-Sandusky has an office in the Lasch Building on campus
-Sandusky is still listed in the faculty directory
You don’t think Paterno could have gotten him sent off campus with one phone call?
Sadly, Paterno looked the other way, sent it up the chain, and let it get swept under the rug....and more children were victimized.
He held his youth football camps on-campus till 2009. He was observed working out in Joe's facilities last week. They took his keys away Sunday.
“What was a young boy doing in a college shower?”
Part of a kids program called ‘Second Mile’. He is estimated to be 10-12 years old.
From the indictment:
-Sandusky holds emeritus status
-Sandusky has an office in the Lasch Building on campus
-Sandusky is still listed in the faculty directory
You don’t think Paterno could have gotten him sent off campus with one phone call?
Thanks Tribune7.
First, calm down. Second, notice the word, “if” in my post. Third, I agree with you, that, if Paterno knew of the activities of this scum sucking A-hole, then Paterno needs to go - and, without his retirement benefits. If it can be proved that Paterno participated in a cover up of this A-hole’s perversions against children, then Paterno should be brought up on charges. At the very least, the families of the victims should seek monetary damages from Paterno, and take as much as they can get.
Now, who would have recommended Sandusky for prof emeritus? After all, everyone from the President down to the janitors knew he was banging little boys in Joe's locker room. Makes you wonder, huh?
He was not “caught” the second time either if you want to get specific - he was “observed” engaging in anal sex in the shower with a child who was “observed” to be around 10 years old.
What was Paterno supposed to do about the 1998 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police, follow up on it, remove him from his job (which he apparently did, but still allowed him to run around PennStatePedo with young men).
What was Paterno supposed to do about the 2002 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police, follow up on it, remove him from Penn State permanently.
To claim Paterno couldn't remove Sandusky from the grounds of PennStatePedo football strains credulity.
I am not that credulous.
The guy was working out at the PennStatePedo gym last week reportedly, some nine years after the SECOND report of him being in the shower with a male child.
That may be what passes for decent human behavior at PennStatePedofileU - but it is a far cry from what most people I know would expect.
A bigger question is why didn't he report to police. As to why he reported it to Paterno it appears to be because his father told him to.
And, yes, Sandusky was not part of the football program. He was a emeritus professor with a right to access the training facilities.
2) I don’t think Paterno needed to be “told” anything. It is clear he had a very good idea that this was much more than “horseplay”, and of a serial nature.
I'm inclined to think he thought Sandusky was doing something he shouldn't be doing but that the authorities tasked with determining such things found that it didn't reach the level of being destructively traumatic and had it under control. I really don't think Paterno believed that Sandusky had raped a 10-year-old.
A bigger question is why didn't he report to police. As to why he reported it to Paterno it appears to be because his father told him to.
And, yes, Sandusky was not part of the football program. He was a emeritus professor with a right to access the training facilities.
2) I don’t think Paterno needed to be “told” anything. It is clear he had a very good idea that this was much more than “horseplay”, and of a serial nature.
I'm inclined to think he thought Sandusky was doing something he shouldn't be doing but that the authorities tasked with determining such things found that it didn't reach the level of being destructively traumatic and had it under control. I really don't think Paterno believed that Sandusky had raped a 10-year-old.
You lucky guy! :-)
Will do, Dan.
So he didn't believe his grad assistant accusations? I goes beyond reality that he would then turn around and hire McQueary after McQueary made false accusations against his coach and PSU icon.
It does actually. I don't know that he would have needed Paterno's recommendation, though.
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