PPP Poll: SB 5 headed for big defeat (Kasich's Collective Bargaining Bill might not pass)

Public Policy Polling ^ | 11/07/2011

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[windsorknot]

This Ohioan is starting to look for the EXIT signs.

[ilgipper]

I have no idea how this will pan out, but the wording of that poll question definitely makes me think the polls are not a proper gauge of this vote. It asks"

'Ohio will have a referendum on whether to approve or reject Senate Bill 5, which was passed earlier this year, and limits collective bargaining rights for public employees. If the election was today, would you vote to approve or reject Senate Bill 5?'

You are simply going to get a lot of people against 'limiting' collective bargaining rights because it sounds ominous when framed like that. Hopefully, there is enough awareness advertisements around Ohio, especially in conservative areas to get people to the polls and understand that this is a nominal change to the collective bargaining system.

[BO Stinkss]

OK. Give the unions all the goodies. Then raise Ohioians taxes to pay for it. Idiots.

[ontap]

If they vote it down than they can raise their taxes to support it....there will be no fed bailout. Stupidity is as stupidity does!!!

[ontap]

you are right ..limiting is the wrong word....eliminating is the right one!!!

[txrefugee]

If Ohio voters are stupid enough to vote to pay government employees twice as much as they make in the private sector, plus financing their free health insurance and outrageously cushy retirement system, then let Ohio go broke.

Just don’t cone begging for help from voters in sane states who have much better sense than to believe that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy will provide a bailout for profligate states.. We can see how the greedy government employees’ demands worked out in Greece.

[SMARTY]

I don't believe any of this polling BS. It is just disinformation to sway voters who are undecided or to discourage voters so that they will not bother to vote.

[101voodoo]

Yup and the fools will whine when their taxes go up

[thedrake]

So is this Ohioan.

The adds for repealing SB 5 are sickening. All of the teachers, nurses, police, fire fighters, etc... they are all “heroes”. Even John Glenn got into the mix with a TV add stating that voting YES on issue 2 is voting against the “heroes”.

I am offended. Apparently, going to work every day in the private sector, raising a family... that is not heroic.

You must be in a public sector union to be a hero.

Makes me want to projectile vomit!

[No Socialist]

Taxes should be part of the question....Do you want A) collective bargaining rights limited or B) Your taxes to increase to balance the budget.

No more “fair” taxes where a few percent pay more. Let’s really make taxes fair and make everyone pay them.

[mmichaels1970]

If they vote it down than they can raise their taxes to support it

If we vote it down, they are saying that there will be big layoffs of state employees to support it....silver lining I suppose.

[marstegreg]

I always check the demographics. As usual, they lean Dem. Here are the numbers from PPP

Q9 If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican,
press 2. If you are an independent or identify
with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................ 41%
Republican...................................................... 35%
Independent/Other..........................................24%

[businessprofessor]

I advise Kasich to push a slightly modified version of the bill in the next session. A few changes should make the bill more palatable for most voters. Let the labor cartels kick and scream more.

[brownsfan]

I find it to be sad how this is seen as an all or nothing. Am I missing something here?

Does Ohio have a Republican Governor? Both chambers of the state legislature are Republican majorities?

So, SB5 passes. Go back to the drawing board, and do it as Kasich should have done in the first place. A little at a time, bite size pieces that votes can understand easily and the effects will be harder to obfuscate.

Or we could just say we’re all gonna die, Ohio is Greece and be done with it?

[paul544]

That won’t help. Quinnipiac found the same results. It won’t pass. Simply too much money and scare tactics have been used by the unions.

[RockinRight]

If Ohio voters could do it over again they'd reelect Ted Strickland by a 55-37 margin over Kasich

I don't know what to make of this. I do think SB5 is viewed as an overreach, and probably should have been done one piece at a time. That said, I really cannot fathom why Kasich is so unpopular, so fast. Is it the addiction Ohioans have to their precious unions or what?

[brownsfan]

“So, SB5 passes.”

OK, I meant SB5 is voted down. Ooops.

[RockinRight]

Kasich’s best shot at re-passing these reforms and improving his popularity would be to start with the most popular provisions, and passing them, one at a time...Once Ohio sees the economy improving, his numbers will go up.

[mmichaels1970]

That said, I really cannot fathom why Kasich is so unpopular

I think they're hammering him at the "local school level". Many of the school administrations and teachers are blaming him for drastic school funding cuts that are forcing them to go to the voters for property tax increases.

When a person complains about a school levy and potential property tax increase, the answer is "blame Kasich, he's cutting so much of our funding".

Unions are battering him from all directions here.

I think the problem is, we always say we need a leader that will make tough, unpopular, and painful choices to get things under control. That's what we have and people are scared of those same painful choices when it comes time for them to be made.