Posted on 11/05/2011 3:16:26 PM PDT by blueyon
Republican 2012 presidential candidates Republican 2012 presidential candidates Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich met in a Lincoln-Douglas style debate on current economic and social issues facing the U.S.
What is a “borser fence ranting”?
Again, dragging a dispute to an unrelated thread is both a violation of the forum rules, and pretty childish. Make your case, I know you can write and reason, I’ve seen it.
That was 8 million dollars, for ONE year, and 2 million later. Which is actually easy to do if you abandon growth and cut all your underperforming stores.
That's standard turnaround policy. The problem is that 10 years later, they still were not growing, while the market they were in WAS growing, so much so that several other pizza companies grew PAST Godfather's during that time.
And that's before we get into an argument over whether being a good manager of a mid-sized pizza chain has any bearing on running the country.
He's accomplished, but he wasn't even the best conservative Pizza company executive. That's not denigrating his significant accomplishments, and they do make him a person to take seriously; but we are talking about the Presidency here, not trying to find the next CEO of Domino's Pizza.
Nope. Just correcting an obvious typo.
You are using the same tactics on this thread the same language etc. and I’m pointing that out. It’s relavant. And its funny that you resort to a spelling flame and then accuse me of being childish.
Funny as in ‘pathetic’ funny.
PS, your liberal positions are a violaion of forum rules on a site made for God and Country. Your support of Romney is likewise. Yes, you are no longer vocal about it, but you did admit to it afterall.
The thread to which you are interjecting was about people hating PErry so much that they attack him all the time, even when they believe he is no longer a candidate.
I understand how a person who loves a candidate will be obsessed enough to ignore negative things about that candidate.
I don't understand why a person being a bad debater would cause others to hate him so much that they feel that have to lie about him and make fun of him when they think he's out of the race already.
We attack Obama because his policies will destroy our country. But two people tonight agreed time and again with Perry. So in that context, why the hatred for Perry? I understand not supporting him for President (I even said that if you follow the thread), but why the personal animus if your probolem with him is that he did lousy in debates?
That was the question to the other freeper. I hope now that I have explained the context of our conversation, you'll realize that your statement was silly.
Yes or no please.
That would be NO to that one. Also no to your question, although as I said it's not what the topic was.
Charles, your posts could do with a few thousand words less ranting and whining, and a more clear focus on the issue.
Calling people silly and other assorted personal insults is all you have. The facts oppose you. Why do you waste your time. Better question...why do you insist on propagandizing whatever issue you involve yourself in?
And please, spare us all from another essay-length volume of emptiness.
MILLION. (Sorry, I know you didn’t get my other correction).
He took a company with about 250 million in revenue and a one year msall loss of 8 million, and cut 25 million in revenut and acheived a 2 million profit. That’s a 10 million turnaround, or about 4% of revenues, achieved by cutting the stores with the lowest revenues and/or the highest costs.
But the idea that Godfathers was dying is an unproven assertion. It had a bad couple of years, after years of tremendous growth. That’s not surprising either, when you are trying to grow your company, there is a fine line where if you grow TOO quickly, you outpace your capabilities and end up with too many underpreforming assets.
If you really want to take a good measure of the company that doesn’t have to do with GROWING the company, look at the per-store margins (profits over expenses).
But don’t look for that information for Godfather’s pizza during the Cain years. It was a private company, and Cain has not released the information you would need to figure that out. Sorry. Almost everything about Godfather’s is somewhat inferential.
Again. Profit is a measure of success. But it is a bare one — growth without losses is the true measure of a successful company. Cain did not grow the business while he was in charge. He didn’t significantly expand the number of stores, he didn’t increase market share, he didn’t grow revenue.
Realise that this is a somewhat academic exercise. There is nothing about expanding stores, increasing market share, or growing revenue that has anything to do with leading the country, or commanding the armed forces. It’s an entirely different kind of leadership.
And you are free to look at the profit change and interpret that as being the mark of a great leader. You asked about my statement of 5th to 11th. I explained it in detail. If you want a different measure, I’d love to do that measure, but I can’t because we don’t have any independent information on profits.
Last thing, and then I’m going to stop harping on leadership here and go to bed. Godfather’s was growing at a phenomenal rate up until Pillsbury aquired it in a buyout. (Godfather’s was owned by a company Pillsbury purchased). It then had two bad years, and Pillsbury assigned one of their best turnaround people to it. Cain had fixed some real problems at the regional level with Burger King. They wanted to turn around Godfather’s, to get it back on that phenomenal growth pattern.
Two years later, Pillsbury abandoned Godfather’s, selling it at a loss to Cain and his group. And Godfather’s NEVER went back to that outstanding growth, and became mired in the middle of the pack, with around 500-800 stores, compared to the thousands owned by Pizza hut, Dominoes, and the other big 5. DUring that time, Papa Johns was an upstart that grew like wildfire, overtaking Godfather’s and vaulting to the number 4 position.
So I’ll ask two general questions, and leave you be. First: With hindsight, if you could go back to 1986 and invest $10,000 of your money in any pizza chain to take out in 1996, which one would you invest in, and how many would you choose over Godfather’s pizza?
And two: If you owned a struggling pizza franchise in 1996, and had your pick of ANY current pizza executive, would you have picked Herman Cain to run your company? How many other executives would you have tagged before Herman Cain?
I’m not asking you to give me an answer. You might just say Cain because you like him. I just want you to evaluate the companies, look at the balance sheets and growth and whatever you can find, and then try to answer that question honestly to yourself.
BTW, I am NOT rejecting Cain yet. And I’m certainly not rejecting him because I don’t think he did a good enough job at Godfather’s. I just don’t really think he did so fabulously that it matters to me when evaluating presidential leadership. I’ve SEEN corporate leaders who DID show presidential leadership, who created companies from scratch, who grew them when the market was crashing around them. That type of record is impressive enough to make up for not having any public executive experience.
Cain’s experience to me is great, because he will understand business. That is important. But I don’t think it shows me he can do the job as President.
I will answer as best I can ANY question asked.
Your continued posting of nothing but false personal attacks is both a violation of the rules, and shows a like of common decency. Your post adds NOTHING to the converation, is simple vitriol, and beneath the standards of adult, civil conversation.
I urge everybody to check my posting history; it is unfortunate that you have so much to check, because Norm doesn’t respect your time enough to even give you a link to ONE example of what he is ranting about.
Also, freepers should google me and Norm on the internet, to see what we say in the real world.
90% currently reject him as their FIRST choice. By your twisted logic, Cain is rejected by 70% of the people, so he'll never get elected.
In the REAL world where the adults converse (you should come back to it), people who prefer one candidate also support other candidates. If Cain dropped out tomorrow, his support would all go to SOMEBODY. But by your false reckoning, they'd all stay home because they rejected all the other candidates.
If you can't see the illogic of that, I'm sure everybody else can. And it doesn't matter if you keep arguing the point, because you can't argue away reality.
Again, as a long-time supporter of Palin, I would have thought you'd be the LAST to make stupid poll arguments. But I guess that's my mistake.
I was a Palin supporter. Not that it matters to your rant, because it wasn’t fact-based to begin with.
Thanks. I thought we might actually get into a post-debate discussion of what the two men said, but Norm came in and started crapping over everything, so there’s no real point now.
One wonders why some people don’t want to have civil adult conversations.
Charles, I have got to believe that you cannot think FR posters are to stupid to click your name for themselves. Because do, then it would clear up a few things.
I refuse to waste time with you in an attempt at serious debate because if posters who I believe are smart enough to click your name, or mine and wade through the posts back to that October 17th Cain thread that offends you so, they will discover hundreds of posts between us with you making wild-arse accusations and refusing to answer questions while accusing me of the same.
They will also discover you backtracking when after accusing me for several PAGES of not answering your questions, you had to admit that you ‘missed it’ and that I had indeed. You just disagreed with the answer.
In short Charles, I stand behind everything I have ever posted here. You have ducked, dodged, spun, lied, ignored, obsfucated and your post history which is there for the record, shows that. My goal is not to get people to ignore you, but to engage you with a secure knowlege of what you stand for.
And it is far from conservative, as even a casual reading of your posts displays for all to see.
Just look at your reply to Windflier above. You rant on and on about cain’s business practices and then in the same post admit GF was a ‘private company’ at the time and the records aren’t available for you to base your evaluation on.
That does not strike you as a pretty bizzarre way to go about it?
Yep, me and Herman Cain. We both supported Romney. And I not only willfully admit it, but I actually DID it in 2008, so it wasn’t some secret I had to “admit” to later.
And my posting history is there for all to see. Any serious person can see exactly what my reasons were for supporting Romney, exactly what criteria I used, what I liked and disliked about him.
However, I actually started supporting Romney AFTER Jim DeMint did. A lot of my reasons mirrored those of DeMint.
Of course, he wasn’t the only candidate I supported. But apparently I’m the only person in the world who supports more than one candidate. Everybody else rejects all the candidates they don’t pick first. Isn’t that right, Norm?
“Also, freepers should google me and Norm on the internet, to see what we say in the real world.”
Absolutely. For me, just use Off-Road.com, Envirolink, Time Magazine, Enter Stage Right and land use. I am HAPPY to have people look it up.
You haven’t yet linked to a “liberal position” you claim I had in another thread. UNtil you do, it’s just you blowing smoke.
You seem somewhat intelligent, so I still don’t understand your ad hominem cheap shots as a debate strategy. It’s lazy and unproductive.
But since you claime I’m doing the same thing here — what liberal position did I take on this thread? You read all 1500 posts — so you must know.
RE Romney.
Please explain in detail how a conservative supports a liberal RINO without abandoning conservative values.
I’m quite serious.
Why go to the past when you can give a more current answer.
Do you Charles believe in the use of deadly force to defend the American border from illegal invaders?
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