Cold Fusion Experiment: Major Success or Complex Hoax?

http://www.lenr-canr.org/Experiments.htm#HighSchoolStudents

From his bio, he ain’t much of a businessman...

Other than the fact that he generated an invention which will change the world, I’d agree with you.

That’s a little bit like calling the Wright brothers a couple of bicycle mechanics.

Your credibility just went to zero with that post. You really believe a high school student did it because he said he did it?

Your credibility just went negative with that garbage. No reputable lab would let them experiment like that without dosiemetry and shielding. Good Grief.

Other than the fact that he generated an invention which will change the world, I’d agree with you.

Who are you referencing?

I gave up on you a couple of threads ago. You went off the deep end.

T4BTT

If Rossi’s only desire was to sell his machines...well then, he's accomplished that, at least once, and can now take any number of orders.

Someone will buy one and take it apart to see what makes it work and then ActIII of the this comic opera will close.

By the bye, I made this comment to you back on the the 30th, on a different thread:
“I’ll help you out. The 14,700 apparently comes from someone at the Chinese Academy of Science and has passed into “everyone knows” lore.”

Someone will buy one and take it apart to see what makes it work and then ActIII of the this comic opera will close.

***I agree.

Maybe some naysayers can get a pool of money together and buy one, just to prove it’s a fraud. Another way for them to put their money where their mouth is.

Far better to let a customer actually use the thing since part of the pitch was not just that it produced heat but that it could do so over a long enough period of time to be useful.

And it has to show some advantage over other heating methods, so the sale isn't the end of the story. But undoubtedly someone will dismantle one.

And it has to show some advantage over other heating methods,
***so, let’s say you’re NATO and you need some heat in Antarctica. One of these burns up some Hydrogen and a few pounds of Nickel, rather than several thousand gallons of heating fuel. Those are distinct advantages.

Let's use your scenario.
Someone is going to haul a shipping container sized heat generator to the Antarctic, a device of unproven reliability and unknown technology along with an electrical generator to power it up. If it fails no one can fix it because no one knows how it works and it has a self destruct mechanism.

Heating oil or diesel is already on hand for tractors and generators for electricity so who needs another piece of equipment that will require both anyway?

Say ten years down the road the thing is refined a bit and actually works, in a polar climate diesel and electrical generators will still have to be used and available if only to start the purported fusion heater up.

If Rossi’s only desire was to sell his machines...well then, he's accomplished that, at least once

Who did he sell it to?

Keebler Elves. They’re going to use it to half-bake cookies.

How Much is One (1) Megawatt

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:How_Much_is_One_%281%29_Megawatt

1 MW E-Cat system.
Photo by Mats Lewan of NyTeknik.
By Hank Mills and Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News
October 27, 2011

On October 28, 2011, Andrea Rossi will allow a customer to test the world's first one megawatt cold fusion E-Cat plant. The test will take place in Bologna, Italy, and will be reported on by Stirling Allan of PESN, who will be present at the test. This plant is composed of fifty two individual modules (each the size of a large briefcase), each containing three individual reactor cores. The combined output of all the modules will reach one megawatt. The entire system fits inside of a standard shipping container .

This is a lot of power. One megawatt is big. It might not be as big as a gigawatt or a terawatt, but one megawatt is nothing to dismiss. When it comes from a system that utilizes tiny amounts of nickel and hydrogen as fuel, emits no pollution, and produces no nuclear waste, it becomes a very significant number .

The following is a list of different examples of how one megawatt (or similar amounts of power) can be represented, and how generating one megawatt of power from a cold fusion E-Cat, offers huge advantages over other methods. Contents
[hide]
1 600 - 1000 Homes Electricity
2 Home Heat
3 Solar Photovoltaic
4 Wind Turbines
5 Steam Explosion
6 Biomass Heat
7 Heat Pump
8 Locomotive
9 Engine
10 Biogas Engine
11 Fuel Cell
12 Fission
13 Geothermal
14 See also • 600 - 1000 Homes Electricity
The average home in the US uses between 1 and 1.5 kW of electricity on average, so not taking highs and lows into consideration, 1 MW would power between 750 and 1000 homes. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_homes_can_a_megawatt_power
Home Heat
In terms of heat (as defined by "power" in your college physics text) at 100,000 BTU/hr gas furnace output for a house, this is enough heat for about 30 - 35 homes in Utah on the coldest of nights (-20 F) .

Solar Photovoltaic

The 1 MW photovoltaic solar installation by Gap Inc's Western Distribution Center in Fresno, CA takes up five acres, cost $7 million, and took 6 months to build. [1]
A one megawatt cold fusion E-Cat plant would cost a fraction of the cost of the above solar installation, take up less space (one standard shipping container instead of acres of land), produce power 24 hours a day (instead of only during the daytime), and could be constructed in a much shorter period of time .

In fact, a one megawatt E-Cat plant could be transported via the highway system, and placed onto the site it would be used. The setup would be minimal, and it would be up and running in hours or days (instead of months) .

Wind Turbines

1 MW
Most manufacturers of utility-scale turbines offer machines in the 700-kW to 2.5-MW range. Machines of larger size (up to 5 MW) are used in off-shore applications. [2]
To the right is a photo of a wind turbine rated for an output of 1 MW (at optimal wind speed). [3]
The E-Cat technology does not require wind for it to operate. It will operate under any weather conditions. In addition, it is small and easily concealable. It is very difficult to hide a windmill!
An E-Cat plant is simply quicker to build, quicker to install, takes up less space, is cheaper, and is less of an eye sore than a wind farm. In addition, windmills can make noise that is difficult to mask. The form factor of an E-Cat plant makes it easy to sound insulate – despite the fact it is quiet in operation. You can't put a sound insulating box around a windmill!

Steam Explosion

Here is the explosion of a steam in line in New York City, in 2007. This line feeds 20 buildings, which is roughly 1 MW .

Biomass Heat

Here's a 1 MW biomass heat power plant. http://www.nrg-consultants.com/biomass/biomassheatpower5003000kw/1mwheatingplant/index.html "This heating plant was built at a furniture factory in 2001. The heating capacity is 1.0 MW at a maximum flow temperature of 11 0 °C. The plant is operated throughout the year to heat the company property."
Biomass plants require large amounts of fuel, emit pollution, and are yesterday's technology. The E-Cat technology is a game-changing, revolutionary technology that requires only tiny amounts of fuel. For example, a kilogram of nickel could fuel a one megawatt plant for a minimum of six months, or even years. A biomass plant requires it to be continually fed with large amounts – truck loads – of fuel, in this case wood chips. The fuel savings with the E-Cat is simply mind blowing, because perhaps less than a hundred dollars worth of nickel and hydrogen, can replace tens of thousands of dollars worth of bio-mass fuel .

The one megawatt bio-mass plant is a huge facility, that towers into the sky. A one megawatt E-Cat plant fits into a small, standard sized container that can be shipped by airplane, cargo ship, or truck. For the same output, the E-Cat power plant is smaller, more fuel efficient, quieter, emits less pollution (no pollution), and makes much more sense .

Heat Pump

Here's a 1 MW heat pump http://www.hastieconsulting.co.nz/Project.aspx?ProjectId=826 "Hastie Consulting in conjunction with Cowley Refrigeration Engineering have recently designed, built and commissioned a 1MW (Cooling) heat pump for a major new commercial building in the Wellington CBD .

The heat pump has been designed to operate as a standard chiller or a heat pump. The heat source for the heat pump mode is the rejected heat from the chilled water circuit, outdoor air or a combination of both. Chilled water from the heat pump is supplied at 5.5 degrees C and heating water at 45 degrees C."
The output from an E-Cat can be used to power a heat pump for cooling purposes. It would produce cooling at a fraction of the cost of any other system, because the heat generated would come from cheap nickel-hydrogen cold fusion reactions .

Locomotive

1 MW is in the range of output of an older locomotive, such as the U18B GE Locomotive shown here, built in 1973-76, which puts out 1.3 MW of power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Westinghouse_locomotives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GE_locomotives
In the not too distant future, E-Cat systems could supply the steam for locomotives, or produce the electricity to power their electric motors. It would do so for a tiny fraction of the fuel cost. A train might use thousands of gallons or diesel for a trip across the United States, but a cold fusion E-Cat might only use a few grams of nickel, and a few grams of hydrogen. The cost for the diesel could run in the thousands of dollars, but the nickel and hydrogen could only cost a few dollars .

Engine
Here's a video of a 1.8 MW engine starting up:
Technical specification of 1MW diesel generator power plant set from China - consumes 145 grams of fuel/hour per metric horsepower .

These big engines require huge amounts of expensive fossil fuels. Cold fusion E-Cat reactors only require tiny amounts of fuel, in the form of nickel powder and hydrogen gas. The above mentioned diesel generator consumes more fuel by weight in a single hour, than a one megawatt cold fusion E-Cat would consume in a year .

Biogas Engine

GE launches 1 MW gas engine for smaller biogas projects - "GE has introduced its Waukesha APG1000 gas engine that can use a broader variety of biogases, including from landfills, wastewater treatment plants and agricultural "
Once again, the differences are obvious. Biogas engines consume huge amounts of fuel that when burnt release pollution. E-Cat generators do not release pollution. The amount of biogas needed to power the one megawatt engine for a year would fill several giant trucks. All the nickel and hydrogen needed to power a one megawatt engine could probably be put in a briefcase .

Fuel Cell

Here's a photo of a 1 MW Fuel Cell power plant by Nedstack, installed in July of 2011: [4] "This PEM Power Plant, with a 1 MW capacity delivered by 12,600 fuel cell stacks, is the largest of this type in the world. The PEM Power Plant converts hydrogen, a by-product in the chlorine industry, into electricity and heat."
Conventional electrolysis is very inefficient, and hydrogen produced by such systems – or as the byproduct of the chlorine industry – is expensive when you consider how much input was used to produce the hydrogen. With nickel-hydrogen cold fusion, a tiny amount of hydrogen and nickel powder can undergo safe nuclear reactions, releasing millions of times more energy than “burning” hydrogen in chemical reactions .

Fission
"The fission of 1 g of uranium or plutonium per day liberates about 1 MW." [5]
Fission can produce huge amounts of power, but there are major drawbacks. The fuel can be expensive, and massive safeguards must be taken when shipping or storing the fuel. Worst of all, the fuel is radioactive, and hazardous to humans and animals .

To use the fission material as fuel, giant and expensive nuclear reactors are built. They cost billions of dollars to build, are expensive to operate, and are inherently dangerous. If the supply of cooling power is cut off, the plant can go into meltdown – the situation in which the fuel melts though the casing of the reactor core .

Geothermal
"To generate 1 MW of geothermal electricity needed funds of about U.S. $ 2.5 million to U.S. $ 3 million. An average well can generate 4.8 megawatts." [6]
Geothermal technology does not require “fuel”, because the heat comes from the Earth. However, it has many disadvantages when compared to the potential of cold fusion E-Cat technology .

Geothermal power plants can only be built at certain locations where geothermal heat is easy to access. E-Cat plants can be used anywhere.
You cannot transport a geothermal plant. An E-Cat plant could be transported anywhere.
Geothermal power could not be used as an on demand power source for vehicles. In the not too distant future, cold fusion vehicles could be produced in which the heat is converted into electricity by photo-thermalvoltaic panels .

In every way, nickel-hydrogen cold fusion technology holds the advantage over conventional sources of power. The one megawatt of power from the one megawatt E-Cat plant is a big deal. It represents the first practical cold fusion power plant, and offers an output that is industrially significant. It has accomplished this without... .

Emitting any radioactivity.
Using any radioactive substances.
 Using any expensive fuels.
Using large quantities of any fuel.
 Releasing any pollution.
Producing large amounts of noise.
Being overly large or an eye sore.
Depending on the weather.
Being limited to certain geologic regions of the planet.
Being capable of only being used in the daytime.
Having huge start-up costs.
Taking extended periods of time to setup.
Having any risk of “melt down” or creating a disaster.

The one Mwt. plant did not produce 1 megawatt.
The output claimed was less than the generators attached to it. These gemerators required fuel to run (diesel, natural gas?)
At present the demo was really worse than nothing. Maybe someone will buy a plant and do the proper tests since it seems Rossi and Co. are either incapable or unwilling to do so for whatever reasons.

“Quite the contrary: high school kids have built working cold fusion reactors on their tabletops”

Link?

Seriously, a Wired story? That’s your source of verified cold fusion high school experiments? So much for you knowing what a fact is.

“No one thinks that cold fusion violates the laws of physics.”

Really, no one? You don’t know any scientists then.

” He’ll say those who did due diligence shouldn’t have given me money.”

Exactly. All scam artists count on the sucker to not fight for their money back, knowing the money is gone and teh scammer usually has a good enough defense to escape total liability. Rossi is an accomplished scam artist.