(Live Thread) Republican Presidential Debate #8 Oct. 18, 2011 Nevada 8 P.M. EDT CNN

Tuesday, October 18, 2011 | Kristinn/ newzjunkey

[firebrand]

Didn’t she say Libya AND Africa? Also wasn’t it supposed to be 3,000 troops left in Iraq, not 5,000? And didn’t Oblama just change his mind on that? Other gaffes too—can’t remember them.

[firebrand]

I think his back must hurt after he stands for a long time. He faded two debates ago (standing) but not in the one before this (sitting down). Maybe I’m making excuses for him but anyone with back problems will understand.

[flaglady47]

“BTW, I was raised Presbyterian before I joined the Mormon church. And your religion is no secret around here.”

You know, you really have a screw loose. I was raised Lutheran, my father’s side of the family is all Catholic. When I got married I became Catholic. So your “no secret around here” is an insane statement based on no fact. Are you now attacking my Lutheran/Catholic heritage also? What’s with you?

[firebrand]

Cain called the prisoners in Guantanamo “hostages.” LOL

[flaglady47]

Regarding food, at least some states (including ours and our closest neighboring state) have very low or no sales tax on most basic food items. I’ll also admit I don’t know how prevalent that is. Anyone care to add data? :-)

Yes, that is true that a lot of states do not charge sales tax on food. But with the Cain 999 plan, those that do not currently pay any sales tax would then be taxed 9 percent on food, whereas before they didn’t pay any tax on food in those states.

[firebrand]

1400 replies richer! But time to go to sleep.

Summary as I see it:

Perry: Still the most authentic. He is still making the shift from state governor to presidential contender, and everyone is making it as difficult for him as possible. But he will get there. He is still my guy, although I am open-minded.

Romney: He was definitely the favorite of CNN. Even the captions were biased. When other people were speaking, the caption said “Romney’s Economic Plan” instead of the name of the candidate who was speaking. How subtle is that? It never said “Cain’s 999 Plan” or “Perry’s View of the Border Fence.” CNN has the propaganda tricks down pat.

Bachmann: Too many goofs and gaffes but I love when she comes out fighting on national security. She is feisty. I didn’t really mind her play for the women’s vote—that’s what it was.

Paul: Insane. Didn’t he say we should open the border, then we wouldn’t have to worry about one group versus another? The fact that he sides with the OWS mob makes him demonic in my sight. There are many excellent reasons for foreign aid. Paul basically treats foreign policy issues in the framework of the world as he wishes it were instead of the world as it is.

Gingrich: Outstanding. He is my second choice right now. We’d be lucky to get him. Unfortunately, the dope in the street thinks more about number of wives than the things that should be most important to us in a dangerous world.

Santorum: Refreshing in his social values emphasis. He is right.

Cain: I fail to see the appeal. He knows less than the typical political junkie or blogger. We can’t let someone like this be president. This stuff is not something that can be learned in a year. It is an attitude toward the world that has to be years in the making, a lifelong interest and preferably approaching an obsession. I hope people will eventually see this as debates and events shake these things out.

Thanks for a very funny and insightful thread. Will read the rest tomorrow.

[Waryone]

Just say no to Romney/Anyone. Not even Cain or Palin on the ticket with Romney will earn him enough TEA party credit. Romney is a democrat with an (R) next to his name.

[Ravi]

Did anyone watch x-factor? Seems the debate was more entertaining than what I was watching.

[BuckyKat]

What ARE these people (photo of protesters)? They look like extras for AMC’s “The Walking Dead,” no makeup required.

[Elsie]

Do you have some kind of alarm system that triggers that?

Do you mean a software 'app' or a cabal of sinister lurkers and minions that ping us to battle, like white cells unto a germ?

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I've noticed that YOU kinda appear from nowhere as well; whenever some poor widdle MORMON gets ATTACKED! by a big thug Flying Inman.

[Elsie]

Nice to see the candidates held the proper hand over their hearts. Unlike these two.

Drat!

I'm sure that it USED to beat in here somewhere...

[Elsie]

Look in the mirror.

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses  5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses  8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses  10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

They don’t “hate Mormon’s”, they just don’t participate in any forums unless they can post HUGE posts over and over with the same propaganda about how awful mormonism is.

 

 

We have the Book of Mormon,

we have the members,

we have the missionaries, 

we have the resources,

and the world has the need.

 

The time is now!

 

We must flood the earth with the Book of Mormon—and get out from under God’s condemnation for having treated it lightly.

 

God willing, I intend to spend all my remaining days in that glorious effort. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

 

 

http://lds.org/ensign/1988/11/flooding-the-earth-with-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng

[Elsie]

yup

[Elsie]

Damn!

Why COULDn’t they still it on the ‘flood plain’?

It’s not like illegals are going to swim over an 18 foot tall fence DURING A FLOOD!

[flaglady47]

“Look in the mirror.”

Please stop posting comments to me. This is not a healthy relationship, and I’m afraid you aren’t very stable. I’m starting to feel like you are a stalker. Please quit.

[Elsie]

Iz good

I didn't even KNOW about this thread until this morning, when I got in it in the 1500's area.

And it's already over 2000!

Lotta fluff and bluff going on...

[Elsie]

You and your comments on Romney/Mormons sicken me. Go away, you are filled with bile.

MORMONism sickens lots of folks.

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

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Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 

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[Elsie]

How could I miss that it was that evil Mormonism?

 

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 132

51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to ^aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, ^areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been ^afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and ^acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be ^bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ^ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of ^beternal lives in the eternal worlds.

56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid ^aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to ^brejoice.

 

 

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Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???

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Eliza was a devout Mormon.

At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).

 

In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and

knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.

 

Wow!!

 

I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!

 

We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!                                       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

[Elsie]

EVERYTHING is ‘already taxed’!