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To: CharlesWayneCT; BobL

Herman Cain was not a Mittbot. He supported Mittens out of the troika of RINOs remaining in the race. You however, were always with Mittens, from the very beginning defending his love of abortion, gay marriage, gays in the military and every other liberal idea the Mittwit could imagine. You did this from the beginning while conservatives were in the race.

Cain never did that. So just stop trying to equate your liberalism with his conservatism.


234 posted on 10/17/2011 11:41:56 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: Waryone

You are a liar.

My record here is public. Post a single thread where I defended “love of abortion” “gay marriage” “gays in the military” or any other liberal idea.

Since I don’t recognize your screen name, I’ll indulge you one time, but I don’t suffer fools and won’t bother again, because we are through with this crap.

In 2007, I had not chosen a candidate. I fell in love with the idea of Fred Thompson, but he was not in the race. I looked at the platforms and proposals of all the candidates, and decided on that basis which candidates I could support. The list for me was relatively large. I rejected Giuliani and McCain, sent money to Duncan Hunter, and waited.

When I saw a republican candidate falsely attacked, I defended that candidate. I even defended Giuliani from false attacks about his handling of 9/11, even though I would never support him for President.

There were many false attacks on Mitt Romney. I will not detail them here, I will not repeat them here, I will not offer the defence of them here, or defend my defense of them here. The rules of this site are clear, and as I have no interest in Mitt Romney in this election, I have no desire to speak of it. But in order to answer your specific scurrilous and false charge, I will say the following. Again though, I will not defend my position on these issues, will not argue with people who disagree with me, and have no intention of advancing these arguments here.

In my opinion, Romney was falsely attacked on allowing gay marriage in Mass. I didn’t defend gay marriage, I defended against what I saw as the false attack that he deliberately allowed and in fact brought about gay marriage. If you have any interest in that argument, go to the archives, I have full citations of legal experts proving my points, and won’t defend it here.

In my opinion, Romney’s stated positions were sufficiently pro-life for his current candidacy in 2007. I was not alone in this opinion, as he received endorsements from pro-life leaders and politicians, although not “the endorsement” or specific organizations. I never defended his past pro-abortion policies, I defended his then-current stance as being a change for the better that I thought we could take a chance on if we had to.

In my opinion, he was falsely accused of supporting changing the policy of gays in the military, based on a quote he made about addressing it later; I felt that same quote showed he wasn’t going to do it during his presidency, but argued only that his quote didn’t support the claim he would.

In my opinion, his platform was conservative. I posted his platform. I also defended his record on guns in Mass, based on quotes from the NRA, and I defended him against a charge that in my opinion was false that he claimed an ‘endorsement’. That was a technical argument over the use of the words “support of”.

In all those arguments and defenses, I never told anybody to vote for Mitt Romney, and I never said I was voting for Mitt Romney, because at that time I had not made any such decision. It was clear though that Duncan Hunter wasn’t cutting it.

When Thompson entered the race, I declared my support for him. I sent him money. I circulated petitions for him to get him on the ballot in Virginia. At that time, Thompson was fading somewhat, and I decided to also circulate petitions for Romney. Also by that time, it was clear Hunter was going to drop out — he didn’t even get on the Virginia ballot.

Tancredo dropped out, and endorsed Mitt Romney. That was a surprise. And McCain started coming back. A lot of tancredo and hunter supporters argued that Thompson was a stalking horse for McCain, and I argued against that, but it was clear that Thompson’s entry had given McCain the chance to regroup and come back. Giuliani became an also-ran. There was Thompson, Huckabee, McCain, Romney, and Giuliani. Hunter was gone, tancredo was gone (I defended tancredo when he was attacked for hiring illegals to work on his house). WHoever you think were all these “conservatives”, none of them ever became a viable candidate, and it wasn’t MY fault.

I publicly stated my support for Romney when Thompson dropped out. I couldn’t bring myself to support Giuliani, and I, like many others, decided Romney while a chance certainly spoke a more conservative message than McCain ever did.

Too many poeple confuse defending a candidate against perceived false charges with supporting a candidate. I have YET to support a candidate in this cycle. I have not sent any candidate money. I have not endorsed anyone, or written any editorials backing a candidate. I am undecided. But, I have written posts here defending Bachmann, Cain, and Perry from attacks I thought were false. In my opinion, there have been a lot more false attacks on Perry than the other candidates, so I have defended him more.

I defended Palin as well, although rarely because she had so many supporters that I wasn’t needed.

So it is possible that 4 years from now I will be accused of “supporting Perry from the start”, possibly without me ever actually supporting him. My guess is I’ll end up supporting Perry, but I’m still holding out hope for Cain, and maybe I’d be persuaded to back Gingrich.

But it clearly is a lot simpler for YOUR position if you just refuse to accept that Cain SUPPORTS Romney now, and to deny he supported him before it didn’t matter in 2008, and to falsely depict my record from 2007-2008 in order to blunt some perception of your candidate you don’t like.

Sorry, but your chosen candidate has said clearly that he would support Romney over Perry. So, are you willing to be the first Freeper here to publicly announce that, in a race between Romney and Perry, you’d chose Romney?

Just to be clear — nothing in this post is intended to RE-ARGUE the points from 2008. I have explained them simply to set the record straight about what I actually defended in that race, NOT to make the defense here. I am not supporting Mitt Romney, would definitely pick Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum, and Cain over Romney. I would choose Romney over Huntsman and Ron Paul (but I wouldn’t defend that choice here).

But I won’t let people lie about my record. I was always open and honest about what I was doing, and why. I never tried to hide who I could support, I disclosed my donations and my political activity. I never asked anybody else to vote for anybody.

And I haven’t in this cycle either. I’ve defended poeple against charges, but not lobbied for votes.


285 posted on 10/18/2011 1:44:22 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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