Posted on 10/16/2011 4:48:31 AM PDT by JimWayne
Full headline: 300,000 babies stolen from their parents - and sold for adoption: Haunting BBC documentary exposes 50-year scandal of baby trafficking by the Catholic church in Spain
But the women, often young and unmarried, were told they could not see the body of the infant or attend their burial. In reality, the babies were sold to childless couples whose devout beliefs and financial security meant that they were seen as more appropriate parents. ... There are also many mothers who have maintained for years that their babies did not die – and were labelled “hysterical” – but are now discovering that their child has probably been alive and brought up by somebody else all this time.’ ... In some cases, babies’ graves have been exhumed, revealing bones that belong to adults or animals. Some of the graves contained nothing at all.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Jim
It’s apparent this reporter hates Christians - more so - she points at the largest of all Christian denominations - the Catholics - being a Catholic - a conservation - a vile hater of socialism and everything this present US Admin. is doing - I would say look at he broader picture...even if this was true on face value of this article - all one needs to do is watch 16 and Pregnant - if I were one of those babies born to a 15 or 16 yr old mom - and the lack of values they have when it comes to the life of a newborn - then I would want a couple that would love me and take me away from a house that treats babies like a cat or dog...I have adopted 2 kids - each needed to be in my home with my wife - with the strong values of nurturing and financial stability — true human trafficking is occurring presently - but this article is to target the emotional senses of the reader and turn sorrow into to hate directed at the Catholic Church....the media cannot be trusted - they are the ones that support the socialism that you speak of...they got 0bama elected and stood there and did nothing about it...
Certainly not - how does pointing out the absurdity of the suggestion that the church founded by Jesus Christ is not Christian lead to that conjecture?
The taking-of-babies-from-indigent-mothers as suggested by the article probably did happen on occasion, but “300,000 over 50 years” works out to over 100 per week, continuously over 50 years seems like more than “a stretch”.
I'll summarize the above for those in a hurry to church this morning:
Catholics are sick.
Catholics are worse than Episcopalians.
Catholics should be converted to Christianity.
Catholics are Socialist.
Michael Moore is a Catholic.
This is an old story and pretty well documented. The BBC is just dredging it up for a documentary.
“Attorney General Cándido Conde-Pumpido announced on June 18 that 849 cases were being examined, adding that 162 already could be classified as criminal proceedings because of evidence pointing to abductions.”
Spain Confronts Decades of Pain Over Lost Babies
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/world/europe/07iht-spain07.html
Stolen Babies: Confronting Spain’s Dark Past
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2059563,00.html
Spain’s ‘stolen babies’
http://www.france24.com/en/20110325-spain%27s-stolen-babies
In this time period governments forcfully sterilized women too.
In history there are many times we can see that those who thought they were doing good were causing harm and it would not have gone against the tenets of Christianity.
Culture seems to make the morals of society and 50 years from now they might be writing these stories blaming the Catholics for not wanting to let gays adopt and people will gasp.
Think about it for a moment. In those times single girls didn’t get food stamps, welfare, HUD. They had obviously been immoral in the eyes of society but then society changed and having children out of wedlock became socially acceptable.
I think that what I am trying to say is stop and think using your brain and logic and not your emotions and biases.
ROFLOL,
I did claim agnosticism once. But how anyone could claim the surety and finality of atheism other than a god himself?
And i support your read, seems this is a fact based piece, and the church is getting ready to lose a bundle.
I’m not even getting into it. I’ve been through this a hundred times and it’s pointless to even try debating. Suffice to say that Christianity is not synonymous with conservatism.
No kidding.
A small example of Katya's work:
The Rise of Israel’s Military Rabbis
Israel’s army is changing. Once proudly secular, its combat units are now filling with those who believe Israel’s wars are “God’s wars”.
CLICK TO SEE VIDEO : Teenagers at a Jewish seminary in the West Bank talk about the connection between the Israeli army and God
Military rabbis are becoming more powerful. Trained in warfare as well as religion, new army regulations mean they are now part of a military elite.
They graduate from officer’s school and operate closely with military commanders. One of their main duties is to boost soldiers’ morale and drive, even on the front line.
The military rabbis rose to prominence during Israel’s invasion of Gaza earlier this year.
Some of their activities raised troubling questions about political-religious influence in the military.
CLICK TO SEE VIDEO: Israeli general warns of dangers of turning war into ‘jihad’
Gal Einav, a non-religious soldier, said there was wall-to-wall religious rhetoric in the base, the barracks and on the battlefield.
As soon as soldiers signed for their rifles, he said, they were given a book of psalms.
And, as his company headed into Gaza, he told me, they were flanked by a civilian rabbi on one side and a military rabbi on the other.
“It felt like a religious war, like a crusade. It disturbed me. Religion and the army should be completely separate,” he said.
Source: The Palestinian Intifada (http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2009/09/the-rise-of-israelmilitary-rabbis-2/)
Never the less, it appears that it is all going according to plan.
Heh, heh...sounds like you are channeling the great “Saint Anne”(who could stand to eat a few burgers..Amen) when she states we should take all the Muslims and “convert them”! I have also noted many predominately Catholic countries are socialistic in nature. Socialism,(despite claims of “egalitarianism”) is very hierarchical, placing the needs of the state above the individual. Liturgical churches with incorporated command structures, priests, bishops and the like tend to create shepherd/sheep relationships between the laity and the priethood with little tolerance for dissent from the sheep. It can sound just like socialism in practise but much that undergirds socialism comes from the spirit of Antichrist. Socialism is just another attempt to foist another “christ” upon the world and to try to turn men from the one true Christ; therebye undermining the work of the entire Church(that entire body of Spirit filled believers, no matter what church, orthodox, catholic, or protestant they come from).
It might be a little unfair to suggest that the source of socialism is the Catholic church, though you might have some ground in suggesting that the structure and teachings of the Catholics may make adherents of Catholicism more open to socialism’s more obscene antichristian blandishments. Many adherents of the mainline “high protestant” churches such as the Episcopals and Lutherans being similar in forms of structure, worship, and teachings can also be accused of showing similar weaknesses for socialism’s false promises.
I´m not a Christian. That´s how I became a believer. It helps to know a bit about science too.
What evil days back then. Today if a young unwed woman is discovered to be with child we just kill the child in the womb. How much more enlightened we are. /sarcasm
Already had this debate. Thanks anyway.
I understand your anger; as we speak Catholic priests are eating urban poor children in the US.
It must be stopped immediately!/s
“I don’t like the model of Falangist Spain”
The Falangists never ruled Spain; Franco did. During the war they were forced to merge with the Carlists (their leader was killed in the beginning of the war), and were completely dominated by Franco.
While 300,000 involuntary adoptions sounds horrible in hindsight, the Communists slaughtered many more in their 3 year quest to force Stalinism on Spain’s people.
And the Catholics have the temerity to call Mormonism a cult!
The ranting Jim Wayne aside, this begs the question that if Spanish law did not call for the involuntary removal of infants born out of wedlock from their umarried mothers, then the Catholic Church merely resorted to subterfuge; faking an infant’s death and burial while conveying the living child into the arms of an adoptive married couple.
Irregular and certainly hard on the birth mother, but not the cruelest of all solutions. Not like abortion.
That´s what I hear from most atheists. Oh well, best to you and yours.
Needless to say this story needs to be views with a large pinch of salt. The BBC is notoriously anti-Christian and had been dominated by Marxists and leftist for decades—it is far worse in this respect that US network but more akin to NPR.
I don’t have any brief for military dictatord like Franco, but it would be hard to imagine the BBC or any American network doing a story about Franco Spain’s relationship with the Jews in the 1930s and more importantly during the Holocaust. What is liitle known is that at the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War the large Jewish community in Morocco and the smaller one in Spain sided with the Nationalists. They were well aware that by 1936 that Stalin had killed more Jews than Hitler. They provide Franco with the finance to transport the Foreign Legion from Morrocco to Spain. In 1940 after the invasion of France and thousands of Jewish refugees sought to flee to Spain Franco ordered that Spanish border posts be pulled back several hundred meters into Spain so that they would not be caught on the wrong side. During War the Franco government issued thousands of citizen paper to Jews across Europe who could claim Sephardi descent (that is they were descended from Spanish Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. In one little know incident, in 1944, Franco sent two trains to to the transit camp at Belsen and extracted over 2000 Jews from Salonika and, with all their good and property back to the safety of Spain. Will the BBC make a programme about this. How about NPR? MSNBC anyone? A dramatic Hollywood film—it was touch and go whether those Salonica Jews would have been rescured. Hey Spielberg—want to be the guy to make the film? What no! Thought so.
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