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To: Pelham

No, when one person is connected, or even a former member of the group is connected to abortion and eugenics, then it would be wrong to say that the group is connected.

However, when there are eugenicists like Paul Ehrlich or Richard Lamm, when several of the advisors and the founder were also founders of Earth Day, and when several current Directors and Advisors are also on boards of Planned Parenthood, then you need to look more closely at the purpose of the group.

When NumbersUSA publishes “Why I am an Environmentalist on its own blog, when it links to article after article decrying the effect of immigrants on global warming, then there’s more than an agenda focused on border security.


184 posted on 10/14/2011 12:05:15 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now, now. now!)
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To: hocndoc

I do look at the purpose of those groups. It’s in their mission statements and is reflected in the concerns of their members.

And that purpose is demanding enforcement of our immigration laws, deportation of illegals and addressing similar problems that are the result of an unholy alliance between the leadership of both Democrats and and Republicans and the various interest groups that benefit from mass immigration whether legal or illegal.

The major immigration control groups aren’t about eugenics and abortion, despite whatever interests some of their founders had in that direction.

I’ve challenged you to provide evidence that these groups support eugenics or abortion and even white nationalism, as one of your more irresponsible pals was charging.

But you never do produce any quotes from their sites advocating eugenics and abortion. No surprise since that’s not what the members are concerned with.

Instead of providing smoking gun quotes you just bury us in links and resort to a litany of guilt by association reasoning and genetic fallacy arguments.

Funny to see you admitting in your post that it is wrong to blame a group for what certain members or even founders might believe since that is what you have been doing all along.

Some of your posts contain phrases that are word for word what the SPLC writes. Do you therefore share the worldview of the SPLC? It’s a fair question of someone who argues that association equals agreement.

We’ve seen repeatedly your opinion of FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA. But you haven’t commented on the SPLC, which so often resembles your own writing. What is your opinion of the SPLC? Is that particular hard left organization one that you ally yourself with when the subject is immigration?


191 posted on 10/14/2011 12:47:45 PM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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