Posted on 10/12/2011 4:14:52 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
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Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.
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It’s not nonsense at my house....
My guess is that it’s Obama. The Blond signed on today.
I like Rick Santorum, but his objection was simple defeatism.
Leaders lead, they don't just put their fingers to the wind and say, "okay, I give up." That's not the way Reagan operated, and it does not appear to be the way Cain operates.
As to your other point, the logical way to analyze the polls is to add the conservative candidates and the RINO candidates together and measure the support. That is why Rush is saying Romney, i.e. the RINO support, appears to be hitting a ceiling.
As other conservative candidates drop out, their supporters will tend to go to other conservatives.
In polling, Cain is listed as the most popular #2 pick by the supporters of the other candidates.
The real danger to a conservative candidate winning is a zombie candidate like Perry being propelled forward on nothing but his money and core Texas supporters for month after month without dropping out.
I have two problems with this premise.
First: You imply that it's ok for certain people to pay NO taxes, yet they benefit from the things our taxes pay for: Police, Fire, Schools, Roads, National Defense, etc., for example. I believe everyone should pay some tax, because everyone uses some service that is provided by the Government.
Second: You state that someone is barely surviving at that income level. My Grandparents raised 6 children on one income (which was as low as $0.90/hour when they were first married). I had the occasion to work with a number of Hispanics this year, and they were making under $25,000/year. Yet they managed to send money home to their families in other countries every week. (I'm not going to argue about sending money out of the country, because that isn't the point of my post.) My point is that people CAN survive on under $25,000/year IF they are willing to LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS.
Living within one's means is something this country has forgotten how to do. If you can't afford a 3000 square foot house with 5 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms, then don't buy one. If you can't afford an Escalade with Chrome Rims, then don't buy one. If you can only afford to live in a 2-bedroom apartment with your 4 kids, then so be it. How many of us shared bedrooms with our siblings when we were kids? I certainly did, and my Dad and his 5 brothers all shared bedrooms their whole childhood.
I still buy used cars, shop at the Thrift Store and Garage Sales, and know how to stretch a dollar. I have never bought a brand new TV or couch or piece of furniture in my life, and I'm 50 yrs old. Everything I own is paid for except my two houses. But I am living within my means. That meant renting a room in someone else's house when I was a young professional until I could save enough money to buy my own home.
If people need to scrimp, and save, and share housing to "get by" at a low income level, then SO BE IT. Maybe, just maybe, that will give them incentive to work harder, and to better themselves and move up in the world.
If we continue to bail people out for not paying their fair share, and for not working harder to improve their lot in life, then why on earth would they work harder?? Would you?
Am I right that most here agree with ABO? Am I also right most here would sooner have any other Candidate than Romney running against Ibama? If that is right and Cain is clearly ahead of everyone else, including Romney, are those same people going to get behind Cain???
“Cain’t imagine in my wildest dreams, that the tea party members will go for a natioal sales tax.”
If it’s in exchange for a drop in income taxes to a very low rate, then I think you’ll find a lot of people going for it. Myself for example.
“I mean, once Cain is in the White House, how likely is it that, he’ll actually propose the plan, and how likely is it that congress will actually take it up or even discuss it seriously?”
How likely is that to happen with the current occupant of the White House? Or with mittens? Because those are the other menu choices.
By that logic, 77% reject”out of hand” Romney and 84% “out of hand” reject Perry.
Just crazy to say that if 27% support someone then that means 73% will never vote for him, ever. It just means 73% (divided by, what?, 7 other candidates?) have a different 1st choice.
Not sure everyone who says the plan is ridiculous actually has a clue about the 999 plan.
I mean I am no expert but if you spent 100% of the money you earned you would have an effective tax rate of 18%, 9+9. The other 9 is on businesses that are currently paying something WAY more than that.
Now on the fact of us ever getting it, who knows, but it has gotten everyone talking about it.
“Gingrich is the smartest, most well-informed candidate out there.”
So? He also doesn’t have the moral character. Divorcing your wife while she’s being treated for cancer doesn’t play real well on Main Street. And like it or not, those are the folks who vote.
No a Cain/West ticket will cause the libs to explode..
Wow! No kidding.
“means losing the home interest deduction, that should do wonders for the home market!”
That’s great news! Then maybe the price of housing will more closely match people’s incomes.
But alas, the home interest deduction doesn’t seem to have all that much of an impact. Canada doesn’t have a home interest deduction and their real estate market is doing just fine. The problem with the U.S. housing market is really pretty simple: there is too much housing stock for too few people and all the tax deductions in the world aren’t going to change that.
“I do think that food and medicine should be exempt from any kind of tax, though.”
Why? If we’re not going to tax the “necessities” where do you start taxing? With clothing? Shelter? Utilities? Cable TV?
ping!
I wonder is CBS mentioned that the dramatically reduced corporate income tax (from 35 to 9%) and the elimination of Cap Gains taxes will allow the economy to skyrocket, which will improve the prospects in life for people making $25K/year as well as everyone else. And I’ll be my bottom nickel that the first 25-35K of income will be exempt from the personal flat tax.
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