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To: hedgetrimmer
Mr. Jobs didn't invent things. He marketed things.

You're wrong, and just one of those haters out there. You have no right saying un truths on a sad day. Steve Jobs is an inventor in his own right, with a couple hundred patents. How many do you have? I have personally been around Andy Hertzfeld, Guy Kawasaki, and others before the Lisa and Mac came out. Steve Jobs was very much involved in the creative design behind the Mac. Andy is a very smart engineer. Perhaps you should ask him if Jobs only marketed it! And he'll tell you Steve was a smart engineer too, and contributed a lot to it's design.

118 posted on 10/05/2011 5:58:53 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat; hedgetrimmer

I agree with you roadcat.

Steve Jobs had a hand in almost every successful product out the doors (and a rare few that weren’t successful).

Much of the usability ideas came from him, and seamless functionality testing had his hand directly within it as well. Things didn’t ship till Steve said they could, which usually meant it had to meet his demanding specifications.

For someone to demote Steve Jobs to marketer status is to comment from a deep ignorance of Apple’s development model.

One can only hope that Tim Cook & the team Steve developed is as inspired as Steve Jobs was himself. It will definitely be a tough pair of shoes to fill.


133 posted on 10/05/2011 6:10:34 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: roadcat
You're wrong, and just one of those haters out there. You have no right saying un truths on a sad day. Steve Jobs is an inventor in his own right, with a couple hundred patents. How many do you have? I have personally been around Andy Hertzfeld, Guy Kawasaki, and others before the Lisa and Mac came out. Steve Jobs was very much involved in the creative design behind the Mac. Andy is a very smart engineer. Perhaps you should ask him if Jobs only marketed it! And he'll tell you Steve was a smart engineer too, and contributed a lot to it's design.

As someone else said, he was similar to Edison which is a great compliment. Taking all those smart people and turning them into a successful business is a talent all its own.

148 posted on 10/05/2011 6:29:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: roadcat

A hater? That’s idiotic.

You stated he was ‘involved in the creative design’, that’s not ‘inventing’.

I said he hung out with smart people and I mentioned Andy Hertzfeld in my post.

Maybe you’re confusing me with someone else.

It’s a fact that Jon Rubenstein brought together the technology that was needed for the ipod, not Jobs.

And like I said, the GridPad and the EO were much earlier than the ipad. Those are facts, not ‘hate’.


175 posted on 10/05/2011 7:34:44 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: roadcat

“Perhaps you should ask him if Jobs only marketed it! And he’ll tell you Steve was a smart engineer too, and contributed a lot to it’s design.”

He was such a good marketer because he personally was involved in so many of the details. You can’t effectively sell something that isn’t a part of you.


190 posted on 10/05/2011 7:50:35 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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