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To: Berlin_Freeper

In Germany there is an opposite view about the bailouts that I think is more fitting: Germany has become the slave of Europe
Yes, that's the view that the elites want the people in Germany to hold. But have you read the treaties of the European Union at all? The Lisbon Treaty, as have other earlier treaties, impose the Soziale Marktwirtschaft on all of the EU nations—doesn't sound too much like Germany being Europe's slave, but its master. The bailouts weren't wanted—Germany actually forced the nations to take them (why do you think it caused so many national governments to collapse?)

Back to the TEU: How about that Stability and Growth Pact, which Germany gets to flout at will but all the other countries must adhere to so strictly . . . ? If other countries put their debt above 3% of GDP, they have to become vassals of the EU according to many German elites; but Germany can remain at 6% of GDP and get away scott-free.

And have you forgotten that the Karlsruhe court decision in regards to the Treaty of Lisbon gives the Bundestag and Bundesrat power over all the EU lawmaking process? That means that Germany actually now has the power to make laws for the entire European Union, and is in control of a lawmaking body that is patterned after the Soviet Union's government.

Some slave.
18 posted on 10/03/2011 6:33:31 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

- “The Lisbon Treaty, as have other earlier treaties, impose the Soziale Marktwirtschaft on all of the EU nations—doesn’t sound too much like Germany being Europe’s slave, but its master.”

Germany was not holding a gun to anyone’s head to join.

- “The bailouts weren’t wanted—Germany actually forced the nations to take them (why do you think it caused so many national governments to collapse?)”

Uh-huh, Germany forced them to take bailouts?
The bailouts were very much wanted. What is not wanted are the conditions of austerity that the Germans rightfully demand. Otherwise the Germans are paying for a lifestyle that the bailout members can’t afford themselves.

The main argument presented here by you was that simply by being a large part of the bailouts of some others - Germany was positioning itself as an acceptable leader. That is as ridiculous as it is childish.

Now you compare apples to oranges for some new argument. The German GDP is much more than that of any other EU member and smaller states have disproportional (more) representation compared to their population.

If you are paranoid about “German Masters” then you should be tickled pink about having a hand in their pocket because that is taking them down, not lifting them up.

Like I said, imagine if it were others paying to bailout Germany... your hysterics don’t pass the giggle test.


19 posted on 10/03/2011 7:10:19 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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