Posted on 09/30/2011 1:51:37 PM PDT by martosko
Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele told The Daily Caller that it was a “very conservative” decision for 2012 Republican presidential candidate Gov. Rick Perry of Texas to give in-state college tuition rates to illegal immigrant students.
“I think it is actually fairly conservative to look at, very conservative, to look at solving the problem in a way that empowers people, gives them opportunities to get out of harms way — fiscally or whatever — and to move the state forward,” he told TheDC during an interview in Washington on Friday.
Steele is not a conservative.
So you have no problem with Romney and Romney care. After all you don’t live in Mass so what do you care. He was just trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Where is the question? I see three sentences, no questions.
Perhaps some elementary school punctuation use would help you to communicate better? Just a suggestion. And no, I don't think it is nit picking to require proper punctuation to differentiate a rude sentence from a sincere question.
In Maryland we pay state taxes. That supports our universities. Therefore state residents get a break on tuition. Our proposed Dream Act is that noncitizens children get the state tuition rate, if their parents can show they paid state taxes.
Now- why is Texas resident tuition lower? Who subsidizes it? Why the argument that noncitizen residents getting the state rate are a burden to taxpayers??
It is constantly argued that giving the children of illegals the state tuition rate is a cost to taxpayers.
That’s why that approach doesn’t work.
Unless you are willing to go Talibanic on them, beheading them or whatever, the only alternative route is to start building city-sized prisons to hold them all.
Is anybody here prepared to build a prison to hold the population of Los Angeles to hold illegals until they are willing to voluntarily vacate the country?
Instate tuition makes no contribution whatsoever to Institutional Costs ~ buildings, land, parking lots, dormitories, etc.
The result is that instate tuition involves subsidies that taxpayers never see ~ or even think about.
Interesting point if you are a foreign student coming to the US to attend any school you must PURCHASE MEDICAL INSURANCE! That's on top of paying Out Of State Tuition. You must also have a visa AND report to the school on your current address and status (more than once a year), and the school, in turn reports your presence, and current visa expiration date, and things like "He's failing" to ICE!
About the only way a school gets an idea that an illegal alien is having any difficulties is if he claims EITC ~ then his income tax filing gets AUDITED every year.
That's the case with ALL students who get EITC. They suffer an audit more frequently than Warren Buffett!
Yeah. I’ll call a liar a liar regardless if they wear pink or blue.
Isn’t the internet wonderful? One can be evaluated by their ideas and ability to communicate those ideas without biases caused by gender or appearance.
Calling me an illegal lover (or similar intent) calling me a Liberal, calling me any of those things only proves that I was spot on in calling you a liar. You didn’t say those things as a typo or honest mistake. You made those statements with forethought and ill intent. You lied. Liars lie. You are a liar.
Fact is there's enough unused lift capacity in the domestic airline industry to haul 100% of the illegals back to a point within 20 miles or so of where they came from in a mere 6 months.
Or we can buses~ takes a little longer but they get to carry more stuff.
Then too illegal aliens OWN millions of motor vehicles! 90% of them come from Mexico and El Centro America and they can drive home in just a few days.
Someday I think I'll call her sister and tell her how to do it ~ and explain to her that if she doesn't change her mind I'll start a fund to buy Arctic Parkas for Illegals so they can all move to Alaska!
1. We can build it in Mexico. They are militarily weak, so if we need to "take" a piece of their land on the other side to build the fence we can do it. It's to stop an invasion ~ and is morally justified.
2. We can build a fence on OUR SIDE that stops mass movements and at the same time patrol between the river and our fence to take care of saboteurs and problem people. Just put formal entry/exit points along the fence and you can keep using it ~ and if some idiot decides he has to take his cows to the river to water them, we'll be waiting there for him ready to have a barbeque! Those cows aren't going to run far with that fence in the way.
You know, a thought just came to mind. If the stimulus money went to the airlines and bus companies instead of to faux solar energy companies, banks and failed auto companies and they deported all the illegals. That would be ONE job stimulus package that would have been successful and the results would still be seen today.
To your first point, you can buy the land, so Mexico is compensated.
However, the problem with trying to force people back is, what are you forcing them back to?
If I were an illegal alien, and my choice was a very difficult life or to jump off a cliff to certain death, do you really think that by making my life difficult or impossible that I’m going to jump off that cliff?
That means they require a direct subsidy of an additional 20% just to cover current costs, and other funding to cover buildings, land, roads, sidewalks, handicapped ramps, etc. Plus, there are directed federal funding programs that make considerable subsidies to nursing programs (your highest cost undergrad program), and for doctors, etc.
People who pay only instate tuition in Texas are heavily subsidized by Texas taxpayers, students who pay out of state tuition rates AND ME (through my federal taxes).
So, if you are paying instate tuition in Texas you got your hand in my pocket and that bothers me a lot!
Thanks for expounding. As far as I know, the only people who are claiming that the children of illegals who get in-state tuition are a burden on Texas tax payers are those who A) oppose Perry and B) don't take the time to understand the situation or C) openly misstate it.
As far as I know, Texans fund government primarily by sales tax and property taxes. If one wanted to say that the increased tuition rates for out of state students subsidizes in state students, I wouldn't argue the point, but I don't think that there is any special rates or subsidies for any instate students. I think that those ideas are misstatements, some perhaps intentional.
Are you suggesting that students pay more tuition than is required?
Or that tution rates should be increased?
I pay instate rates for a student and do not feel at all guilty for paying what the school says I should pay. Sorry!
But I do pay the other taxes that other residents of Texas pay, so I guess I’m contributing to the subsidies just like you are.
The people took the question right out of the hands of the politicians.
Before it's over we'll see even Ike Leggett getting ridden out of state on a rail covered with molassas and sandfleas.
I find it highly irregular that Marylanders vote so often for politicians who hate them.
You'll see that place cleared to the gutters!
I’m from Alberta.
What you call a cold snap, I call balmy. :)
That's not for me to decide. But the powers that be don't seem to care much for the Perry supporters' attacks on conservatives on this conservative website because they don't support RINO Rick Perry and his pro-ILLEGAL aliens positions.
See if they use it.
I doubt they will.
As bad as Americans think Mexico is it is one of the world's better countries to live in. It can feed its people for one thing, and that's always important. Plus with the United States right next door they have relatively unlimited access to the most advanced science and medicine possible anywhere.
With their Subtropical Climate they don't need to expend much effort to keep warm either.
For the qualified higher education is essentially FREE ~ their university system is based on the European system.
Unemployment in Mexico is 4.5%
To say that we “cannot” would not be techincally correct if we consider that we have people living on the Antarctic and we put people on the moon. I understand that.
I hadn’t seriously considered violating the border but that would solve the other physical problems of a fence. I don’t think you could get that over the political hurdles to make it happen.
To me it seems that far too many people rely exclusively on a fence without giving any thought to the other problems allowed and created by the lack of federal interest.
IMO, a fence as you describe should be an absolute last resort with all else has failed, not the first option.
At the same time your instate tuition rates ARE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED. Your presence at that school costs 25% more than you pay ~ and that's just for heat, lights, AC, and your professors. The cost for the buildings and grounds, laboratories and other features associated with the university is at least another 50%.
You do not pay taxes to Texas anywhere high enough to cover the subsidy.
That makes you a leach.
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