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To: edge919

You just said the same thing as me. You quoted this, (and thank you because I did not see this Chin King case in the Wong Kim Ark thingy:

In the courts of the United States in the Ninth Circuit, it has been uniformly held, in a series of opinions delivered by Mr. Justice Field, Judge Sawyer, Judge Deady, Judge Hanford, and Judge Morrow, that a child born in the United States of Chinese parents, subjects of the Emperor of China, is a native-born citizen of the United States.

Native born citizens ARE natural born citizen. (BUT, all natural born citizens are not native born, like John McCain). This is what else I PROVED to another Vattle Birther at another place:


To put it into NBC terms its like this. ALL NBC are Citizens at Birth CANNOT be converted to ALL Citizens at Birth are NBC without proof of such. Without such proof, the quantitative element of the conversion much be changed to: ALL NBC are Citizens at Birth converts to SOME Citizens at Birth are NBC.
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Therefore, you must either accept the quantitative adjustment or prove the original conversion. BTW, there is nothing in the Indiana Supreme Court statement you provided that alters that logic.

Now if you’d like to PROVE the Conversion, please do. I’m all ears.

ME To the Vattle Birther: Oh let a poor, little ILLOGICAL Girl Reporter try:

You said:”To put it into NBC terms its like this. ALL NBC are Citizens at Birth CANNOT be converted to ALL Citizens at Birth are NBC without proof of such.

Sooo, here is the PROOF: The Court said, AGAIN:
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All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.

Sooo 1. ALL PERSONS BORN IN THE ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS

NOW, what else did the SUPREME COURT say about being BORN IN THE ALLEGIANCE???:

It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.13

Sooo 2. EVERYBODY BORN IN AMERICA, (WHO ISN”T THE KID OF A DIPLOMAT OR INVADING SOLDIER) IS BORN IN THE ALLEGIANCE.

Now what this equals when you add No. 2 to No. 1 is:

ALL PERSONS BORN IN AMERICA, (WHO ISN”T THE KID OF A DIPLOMAT OR INVADING SOLDIER) ARE BORN IN THE ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES [and] ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS.

Proven!!! And that is right from the Horse’s Mouth!!! Sooo, do I win a prize or anything??? How about my prize is that YOU admit you are mistaken and quit being a Vattle Birther???


This is just like when I was fighting Obots all the time. Once you get past all the name calling and teasing, then it is really pretty easy to win debates and stuff.


131 posted on 10/04/2011 12:55:29 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Squeeky
Native born citizens ARE natural born citizen.

What you mean to says is that NBCs are native born, but native-born citizens are NOT necessarily NBCs. McCain qualifies as native-born under Vattel who said that children born in the Armies of the State are considered born in the country.

Your "quantitative" arugment is a bunch of babbling. Maybe you can try again and articulate a point that makes sense.

132 posted on 10/04/2011 1:04:55 PM PDT by edge919
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