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Photos Suggest Pilot in Deadly Reno Air Crash Had Broken Seat, Aviation Expert Says
FoxNews.com ^ | 9/20/11 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 09/20/2011 12:05:47 PM PDT by ColdOne

Newly released photographs of the deadly Nevada air racing disaster suggest the pilot in the crash may have become dislodged in the cockpit as a result of a broken seat, an aviation mechanic tells Fox News.

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KEYWORDS: renoaircrash; renoairracecrash; renoairraces
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To: skeeter

Excellent theory Skeeter. Thank You.


21 posted on 09/20/2011 12:45:46 PM PDT by He'sComingBack!
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To: ColdOne

I noticed that the pilot wasn’t visible in the cockpit before the plane crashed.


22 posted on 09/20/2011 12:46:06 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: spokeshave

It all seems to make sense now, coming around a high g turn, seat lets loose, pilot goes back and loses control and its over two seconds. It could have been a LOT worse, the plane cold have easily gone right into the stands under those conditions.

I have been to the Reno air races 4 times and have always thought it was just a matter of time before a plane injured a spectator. However, as a spectator I was willing to take that risk as should everyone else that attends. Aircraft move in three dimension you just really can’t give full protection for the fans like you can at a car race.


23 posted on 09/20/2011 12:46:13 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Beelzebubba

It is realistically a very good guess. Just look at other photos of the aircraft from before the accident. There are many of him sitting on the tarmac waiting. His head and helmet sit right in the middle of the bubble and right up at the top of the canopy. You can’t miss it. And given that at these speeds and G-forces you have to wear at least a 5 point harness and be strapped down TIGHT there’s no many other conclusions you can come to.

Even if he was passed out and his head rolled to one side it doesn’t look like there is any way his head could normally end up out of view. He’d just have it resting on the plexiglass or hung forward.


24 posted on 09/20/2011 12:47:55 PM PDT by Advil000
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To: Beelzebubba

I noticed it hours earlier in photos and mentioned it also. But others with actual experience noticed too.


25 posted on 09/20/2011 12:48:46 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (.....The days are long but the years are short.....)
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To: DuncanWaring

>>They were made for killing Germans.

Should we stick with that?<<

They were made for shooting down enemy aircraft during WWII.

I wish they would have left the plane on the ground to be seen by Americans for the historical artifact it is.

But I don’t always get what I want, and that’s fine.

The pilot chose to use it as a plaything, and now neither one are around any more.


26 posted on 09/20/2011 12:49:44 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: NoLibZone
This photo seems to show the pilot's helmet low and forward. Or is that something else?


27 posted on 09/20/2011 12:54:20 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: presently no screen name

You’re welcome. Like you, HTE’s comment caught my attention. This is a tragic mystery. What really happened? Seems like FReepers are on the cutting edge of figuring it out.

Prayers for the family.


28 posted on 09/20/2011 12:56:04 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: RoadTest
For comparison
29 posted on 09/20/2011 12:57:42 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ColdOne

He shouldn’t of driving that plane at 74 yrs old...his reactions are slow...


30 posted on 09/20/2011 12:57:56 PM PDT by Fawn (No--bama 2012)
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To: GonzoGOP
Now comes the chicken and egg argument. We know the plane lost a trim tab. So did the lost of the trim tab break the seat loose, or did flailing with the controls when the seat broke loose rip off the trim tab.

It seems likely the loss of the trim tab was first. That caused the plane to pitch up violently. The resulting G forces caused the tail wheel to deploy and broke the seat and / or caused Leeward to black out. In either case, he would have been unable to fly the plane.

There was an incident in 1998 in which the P51 Voodoo lost an elevator trim tab:

Button describes what happened to his airplane in Saturday's heat race. Apparently, the left elevator trim tab came off the airplane at speed, causing the bird to abruptly pitch up, subjecting driver Hannah to over 10 G's of deceleration forces, and causing him to lose conciousness! When he came to, the raceplane had climbed to over 9,000 feet of altitude. A shaken Hannah regained control and brought Voodoo in for a safe landing. Suspected structural damage kept the sleek raceplane out of Sunday's championship competition.


31 posted on 09/20/2011 12:58:55 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Lando Lincoln

Good Question. The plane is nosediving and the pilot is still laying back? I would venture his hands and arms would be seen trying to pull himself up (g force was on his side nose diving). Only two scenarios for not being seen in photo, in my opinion.

1. He passed out - medical reason after seat broke.
2. He was abducted during flight.

I pick number 1.


32 posted on 09/20/2011 1:01:03 PM PDT by Orange1998 (Obama also inherited AAA credit rating.)
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To: al_c

Looks like the dashboard to me.


33 posted on 09/20/2011 1:01:35 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Fawn

Please, let us in on your facts for making such a claim.


34 posted on 09/20/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by He'sComingBack!
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To: Fawn

From what I understand you have to be checked out medically before you fly.


35 posted on 09/20/2011 1:02:56 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Do you know how many times that plane changed hands from the time it was made? It was deemed surplus in 1946. It was sold. And sold again. And again. And modified. And and and. If you would like to see artifacts, there are tons of them in Tucson, AZ at the Air and Space Museum.


36 posted on 09/20/2011 1:05:20 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: al_c

I downloaded the photo and used some recovery techniques and it definitely looks like it is his helmet. The photographer will have a raw file in which there is a tremendous amount of information and quality. This photo will help with the investigation.


37 posted on 09/20/2011 1:05:40 PM PDT by New Perspective (Proud father of a 7 yr old son with Down Syndrome and fighting to keep him off Obama's death panels.)
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To: al_c

Any idea as to what is the vapor/fuel/water injection... coming from underneath the fuselage (see inverted photo of the P-51, just below the 177 number)?


38 posted on 09/20/2011 1:08:09 PM PDT by He'sComingBack!
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
They were still producing this aircraft in 1984. See Cavalier Aviation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalier_Mustang
39 posted on 09/20/2011 1:08:32 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Your refusing to accept the facts doesn't change the facts. Matt Dillon)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

It was the National Air Races, not an aerobatics/stunt show


40 posted on 09/20/2011 1:09:28 PM PDT by Starwolf
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