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1 posted on 09/18/2011 6:31:19 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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I particularly liked this part...
Bachmann insists the vaccine is “a very dangerous drug.” After the debate, she reported, she met a woman whose daughter developed mental retardation in reaction to the shot.

Would she believe someone who told her the vaccine came from space aliens?


2 posted on 09/18/2011 6:32:50 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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Read about some young girls who had reactions to Gardasil here (they’re heart wrenching and some could easily be confused with mental retardation):

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/hpv.aspx


5 posted on 09/18/2011 6:38:05 AM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Where's the democrat budget? What's the plan?)
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These concerns were raised long before Bachmann ran for President. Check out "Gardasil Death & Brain Damage: A National Tragedy".

Please note this is from an advocacy group, acting on reports they had received. Here are more links, some with outside references within the articles.

My question is, did she tell the truth about the crying woman who told her this? If so, then she's vindicated on just about everything (IMHO). If not...

7 posted on 09/18/2011 6:43:10 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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They could get the same result through the compulsory feeding of saltpetre to all boys under the age of 8. But somehow I doubt if that would catch on.


8 posted on 09/18/2011 6:51:17 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Gardisil Retards for Bachman!

Just kidding folks. Don’t flame me.


9 posted on 09/18/2011 6:51:27 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Terrorism is nothing more than Kinetic Islam)
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Chapman throws digs at social conservatives but HPV would not be the problem it is today if we still had the mores that existed before 1963.

With that said Perry is still right regarding the benefits of Gardasil inoculations.

18 posted on 09/18/2011 7:04:17 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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Someone check my arithmetic for me, but if the annual death rate among women from HPV-caused cervical cancer is 70 percent of 4,000, and there are 150 million women living in the United States, the chance of getting it is somewhere in the vicinity of .000186 of a percent. So do we really want to spend the money, subvert our notions of personal freedom and place innocent people at risk in order to deal with so minuscule a threat?
21 posted on 09/18/2011 7:11:14 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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22 posted on 09/18/2011 7:11:46 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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I’m sorry but Bachmann is a hypocrite.

In her state Heb B Vaccine is mandated with NO opt out.

Yet:

The hepatitis B vaccine has been linked to immunological and neurological disorders.

By Ben Howe, Red State

What’s worse than a mandatory vaccination that never actually came to law and, even if it had, contained an opt-out? According to Michele Bachmann, nothing. In fact, if you listen to Michele Bachmann these days, you’d think Governor Perry was strapping 12 year old children to tables to inject them when he takes breaks from using the other needle on inmates..................

By all appearances, she felt no need to mention, much less work towards stopping, a vaccination that, by her own standards, is an assault on liberty.

Even more so actually. The HPV vaccination, while called mandatory, made available an opt-out provision so that the parental rights that she felt were so paramount could be protected in this decision.

The Hepatitis B vaccination in Minnesota (state law since 1993) doesn’t even require parental consent at all. And Hep B’s communicability is similar to HPV in that it is primarily transmitted through intercourse, as opposed to being an airborne illness.

Currently, no records can be found of Michele Bachmann sponsoring legislation in the Minnesota legislature to repeal the Hep B vaccination or to add a parental opt-out.

Read more: http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2011/09/13/bachmann-stayed-quiet-on-mandatory-vaccinations-while-serving-minnesota/#ixzz1YJUfr1s7


25 posted on 09/18/2011 7:18:32 AM PDT by TexMom7
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There has never been a medical treatment, vaccine, or medicine developed that has not affected someone adversely. It, unfortunately occurs. However, in the absence of this life saving research and development, millions would die from the underlying conditions.

There have been people who have died on the operating table while having tonsils removed - does that mean we should no longer allow it, or worse yet, begin a class action suit to seek damages from all surgeons who have removed tonsils.

I once nearly died of anaphylactic shock following a penecilin dose. Do I think we need to not allow antibiotics to be administered? Not in a million years.

26 posted on 09/18/2011 7:19:24 AM PDT by RobertClark (Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our mind.)
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There is a reasonable case against what Perry wanted to do re: Gardasil. Rick Santorum made that case very well in the debate.

If Bachmann would have made that case I'd be totally fine with her.

But if I become convinced (and I'm getting close) that she's pandering to the anti-vaccinations-in-general moonbat fringe, she's permanently off my list.

42 posted on 09/18/2011 7:48:37 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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Bachmann’s Vaccine lie.


56 posted on 09/18/2011 8:11:39 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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Look Newbie, Ms. Bachmann is RIGHT.

Rick Perry was acting as a RINO
while he was the Merck-Mandator for Texas.


59 posted on 09/18/2011 8:15:45 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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Rep Bachmann needs to drop this issue. Enough.


85 posted on 09/18/2011 8:33:53 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Hurricane Irene is Obama's fault because he hates people in general. Fair's fair.)
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And I have discovered the REAL reason Rick Perry got involved in that Gardasil thing!

See THIS! Heads are going to explode!

This video is not for the faint of heart

The girl in that video even DIED shortly after this video was taken!

91 posted on 09/18/2011 8:42:45 AM PDT by casinva (Maybe it's time to have some provocative language. (PERRY / CAIN 2012)
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When Bachmann said, on stage at the debate, that the vaccine was dangerous

because some unnamed person told her that a child became retarded as a result

she did more to label herself as an "illogical, emotionally driven woman" than any "Perry-bot" could ever have dreamed of doing.

98 posted on 09/18/2011 8:49:19 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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There is an $11,000 reward out there, from a couple of professors at Minnesota and Penn, for Bachmann to produce this case, or this woman to come forward with medical record documentation of the gardasil vaccine causing mental retardation. It was reported on Fox News and it's been out there several days, but so far no one has called in.

This sorry episode is just one more illustration of the foolishness of believing unsubstantiated anecdotes, especially related to the so-called evils of modern medicine.

Anybody with a crap attitude can say anything she wants at a rally or on a blog, but that doesn't make it worth the time of day.

114 posted on 09/18/2011 9:11:58 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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“A vaccine for cancer would be a triumph for public health. Did I say “would be”? Actually, it is. Such a vaccine exists for one of the biggest killers of women. But Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., is against it, and she’s not alone.”

I am pretty sure that Bachmann isn’t against the vaccine. She is against it being forced on children; something I agree with. Her “mistake” was using a “hearsay” information as factual (the reference to it causing retardation). That wasn’t wise.

At least in the past, FR posters have screamed bloody murder about “nanny state” policies that trample on personal liberties. It would seem to me, that although she went too far, her basic arguement is against “Nanny-State” vaccinations on something that isn’t an immediate threat to life and limb. You don’t force (or coerce) someone to be vaccinated against a sexually transmitted virus that they “may” become exposed to later in life, that “may” if they are exposed, cause cervical cancer. This has “Nanny-State” written all over it. I remember how Mike Huckabee was pillored here in 2008 for being a “Nanny-State” governor....why should Perry get a pass????

Also, IF we are going to follow the line of logic in this article, then we should completely ban Tobacco and Alcholic beverages. How may deaths by cancer could be stopped by the end of tobacco use???? How may deaths could be avoided by an alcohol free country???? Quite a few actually...many more than would be lost to cervical cancer. However, I think MOST here would be livid over such a ban....so very “Nanny-State.” Not to mention the stomping on personal liberties.

And why stop there???? Let us begin mandatory testing of all teens for venerial disease??? Then force those testing positive to undergo treatment. Wouldn’t this save lives????

You see, it sounds logical to say vaccinations of ALL preteen girls will stop cervical cancer....but it is a dangerous path to tread if you don’t want to open yourself ut to endless “Nanny-State” initiatives.

I think the vaccine has merit, but it must be totally voluntary. And there must be NO reprecussions for those that don’t chose to be vaccinated or parents those chose not to vaccinate their daugters.

The forum is rife with those that what LESS GOVERNMENT. That is what Bachmann is really saying....although poorly.


180 posted on 09/18/2011 2:21:30 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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Michele Bachmann is a decent conservative woman. Her views are generally in concert with most FR members.

But, as I’ve noted on numerous occasions, she is not ready for prime time. Her biggest problem is her inability to come out on top in interviews, the Leno example being the latest (failure to take the offensive). Her second biggest problem is that she is one dimensional - “one term President”, “repeal ObamaCare”, “25 kids”, “tax lawyer” are repeated ad infinitum.

Of course she smoked Perry on the Gardasil business during the debate, but like him, she had to add an anecdote about the non-verified or verifiable child with adverse reactions. Santorum hopped on her lead but he stayed on track. Perry screwed that answer and the wetback answer up big time.

I feel sad for Bachmann because she stands tall for conservative values, but she would get clobbered in this mediacentric political world.

If he continues on his current path, Perry is not far behind. His debate performance to date has been close to abysmal.


207 posted on 09/18/2011 10:30:16 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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