I have yet to see an health insurance claim for murder, theft, extortion, slavery, and terrorism. And what about rape; what would you ask the health insurance company to do there? Yet pregnancy is routinely covered by health insurance, by "treatment" in hospitals. That suggests that pregnancy is a health condition, and a preventable one at that -- or haven't you seen both condoms and birth control pills?
Of all the crimes listed above, only pregnancy is one that does not involve one person imposing his or her will by force on another, and where the victim doesn't ask to be tortured, raped, terrorized, or deprived liberty or earned possessions. And YOU, personally, can be the target of every single crime listed here, except one. (Unless the perp has a time machine.)
We sometimes forget that pregnancy can kill. Mother. Baby. Sometimes both.
If there is a stillbirth, is that murder? If not, why not?
One reason I think that abortion is between a mother and the baby, AND NO ONE ELSE EXCEPT GOD, is because sometimes there is no perfect outcome.
Oh, yes, how about the unwanted baby, particularly one conceived in an act of rape? Most abortion foes I know say "Tough luck, sweetie, that's the way the cookie crumbles." Theft of an independent life. Or, how many babies have you adopted?
I'm for fewer laws. Crimes of violence against active members of society are the few I stand still for.
So, you intend to be a disgusting n00b, not just a stealth n00b. Duly noted.
I think you just revealed your worldview and philosophy very clearly here. Terminating a pregnancy means killing a baby, it is as simple as that. You don't think when the gruesome tactics are done to kill the baby that this is forcing someone's will on another? I guess the dividing line is that you don't see a baby as a worthwhile human, that it is okay to torture and kill an innocent baby because it can't yet "breath, talk, and think" and it is not "active". It sounds like you don't support a 'right to life" unless a person passes some test that makes them "worthwhile". Just as the Nazi's felt that those who were handicapped or mentally impaired had no right to life and were just "useless eaters"
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/disabilities/
On July 14, 1933, the German government instituted the “Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases.” This law called for the sterilization of all persons who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, including mental illness, learning disabilities, physical deformity, epilepsy, blindness, deafness, and severe alcoholism. With the law’s passage the Third Reich also stepped up its propaganda against the disabled, regularly labeling them “life unworthy of life” or “useless eaters” and highlighting their burden upon society.
The term “euthanasia” (literally, “good death”) usually refers to the inducement of a painless death for a chronically or terminally ill individual. In Nazi usage, however, “euthanasia” referred to the systematic killing of the institutionalized mentally and physically disabled. The secret operation was code-named T4, in reference to the street address (Tiergartenstrasse 4) of the program's coordinating office in Berlin.
Ashes from cremated victims were taken from a common pile and placed in urns without regard for accurate labeling. One urn was sent to each victim's family, along with a death certificate listing a fictive cause and date of death. The sudden death of thousands of institutionalized people, whose death certificates listed strangely similar causes and places of death, raised suspicions. Eventually, the Euthanasia Program became an open secret.
On August 18, 1939, the Reich Ministry of the Interior circulated a decree compelling all physicians, nurses, and midwives to report newborn infants and children under the age of three who showed signs of severe mental or physical disability. At first only infants and toddlers were incorporated in the effort, but eventually juveniles up to 17 years of age were also killed. Conservative estimates suggest that at least 5,000 physically and mentally disabled children were murdered through starvation or lethal overdose of medication.
The result of your "litmus test" for the determination of whether someone is worthy of protection of life against violence from another, leads to exactly this type of barbarism when followed through to its conclusion.
I am not going to go any further with this conversation as it is getting off track of the thread. I just couldn't let your statements stand here on Free Republic, a website that the owner, Jim, has stated clearly in many places is pro-life.