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To: P-Marlowe; editor-surveyor; CA Conservative; xzins; wmfights; Navy Patriot; Randy Larsen; mazz44; ..
*Apologies to all for the delay on this last comment. My internet went out in mid-discussion so I called it a night. Now this morning Free Republic seems to be be acting weird.

Thank you, I’ve been looking for that link all night. The quote in the AP story does not appear to be a direct quote but is a paraphrase of her intentions.

Too bad you couldn't restrain yourself from trying to berate and bully everyone who disagreed with you until you had verified the facts. First, you might not be a liar, but AP certainly is. The AP "quote" is not a paraphrase at all - it is a misquote, and worse, it's a deliberate misrepresentation designed to put increased time-pressure on Palin for an early announcement and provoke these types of divisive, distracting discussions.

As I pointed out, AP is notorious for lying, just as they did for years in stories about President Bush. Do you remember the "Bush said Saddam sought to buy yellowcake from Niger" lie which was repeated over and over? He never said that. And as the video clip rawhide posted showed, Sarah Palin never said early September - the AP did.

That being said, the story made the rounds around the world exactly as I posted it and I can find no follow up denials or corrections from the Palin camp or Palin herself. If she did not intend to convey the impression that she was intending to make an announcement in late August or early September, she had an obligation to correct the story.

Nonsense, Palin had no such obligation. She merely had a choice. AP and almost every other media outlet have run literally hundreds of incorrect or deliberately dishonest stories about Palin for the last three years, and she had the choice of whether to expend endless time and energy trying to refute them all or to just ignore them.

You may not like her choices, but it's none of your or my business, and she certainly was not obligated. The only obligation in these matters is yours, mine and everyone else's, to trust nothing from the media and verify things for ourselves before going off half-cocked.

So it is past August and closing in on the end of September.

It is September 9th, which is much closer to the beginning of September than to the end. We could also say, golly, it's September, we're really closing in on Christmas, but I believe most people realize we need to deal with Halloween and Thanksgiving first. So, why the frantic hyperbole? Palin even qualified her statement with "basically" it's August or September. She didn't say it's "absolutely" August or September.

And xzins, your attempts to get P-Marlowe off the hook with: August/September is what she says in the video link. That fits with both “late summer” and with “late august/early september.” is simply incorrect. It does ot "fit". Early September is not equivalent to the whole month of September. P-Marlow has blustered his way through the discussion berating others and insisting Palin said early September. She did not - AP said it. What remains to be seen is if he's honest enough to admit he was wrong.

She is looking very indecisive.

Again, nonsense. What she is doing is exhibiting tactical skill and innovation in keeping her enemies guessing and not allowing them to dictate her game plan. Politics is war by other means, and Palin is approaching it as such. As another poster has noted, she's consistently applying the principles taught by Sun Tzu in "The Art of War".

She’s playing this game with the media and teasing everyone.

So what? They deserve all the frustration, embarrassment and ridicule she can heap upon them.

That hand has been played too long. It is past time for her to show her cards.

Your opinion, which is fine. I believe differently. I think she's running an innovative tactical and strategic guerrilla campaign which is keeping her enemies off-balance. There's no guarantee it'll work, of course, then again, it's her choice. And of course, she may not run. Why don't we just chill out and wait and see?

Finally, let's be very clear about one thing. I have not called you a liar - I merely pointed out that you hadn't done your homework, didn't have the facts from the original source, and were therefore possibly mistaken, which was confirmed by the video link which was subsequently posted.

I also pointed out that despite these lapses on your part you engaged in unjustified belligerent and derisive behavior towards your fellow Freepers.

There is an adage which goes "An honest man, once he has been shown to be in error must, by definition, cease being one, or the other". You insisted throughout the thread that Palin said early September - she didn't. You weren't lying, but you were wrong, and obnoxious about it to boot. You have been shown where you were in error, so in which category will you now choose to be...?

208 posted on 09/09/2011 8:29:41 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat; P-Marlowe; editor-surveyor; CA Conservative; xzins; wmfights; Navy Patriot; ...
You weren't lying, but you were wrong, and obnoxious about it to boot. You have been shown where you were in error, so in which category will you now choose to be...?

Let me put it this way. The AP story was misleading. Her statement during the interview was a coy evasion of the question put to her by Hannity. She hinted that she would necessarily have to make an announcement in August or September and that any delay after September would be fatal to a candidate because of the political circumstances and the fact that a candidate would have to put together an organization.

When the story came in in literally thousands and thousands of newspapers and internet sites the next day that she had said that she would announce in "late August or early September", she never said a word to correct that story, thereby clearly leaving the impression that the AP story was an accurate statement of her intentions on July 13, 2011.

That being said, I will admit that I was "wrong" when I said that she said it. But I was quoting the article that came out right after the interview. I haven't found any specific quotes where she used the language in the AP article. Nevertheless, she never "refudiated" the statement and I would have to imagine that if she is as informed as she would have us believe, that she read the article the second it came out and has had plenty of time to correct the record.

I have admitted that I was mistaken. When you post things on Free Republic, you are subject to challenge and when I am wrong, I will admit it.

FWIW, the reason I may have been considered "obnoxious" is that people were calling me a liar for simply stating what had been reported in the news and then they refused to even acknowledge the existence of the story, simply ignoring what was in the article and continuing to call me a liar.

I have requested an apology from at least one Freeper who called me a liar, and I do not expect that I will get an apology. I expect to be called a liar again for this post.

We shall see.

209 posted on 09/09/2011 8:52:28 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: tarheelswamprat
I think she's running an innovative tactical and strategic guerrilla campaign which is keeping her enemies off-balance. There's no guarantee it'll work, of course, then again, it's her choice. And of course, she may not run.

I think you're thinking pretty well, or you've been out fishing with Sarah occasionally.

Sarah would not (given what she has learned in the past three years) consider running a traditional campaign. It would be unending media set ups to knock her down, and that is why the media and Palin haters on this thread are so livid. She won't tell them where and when to set their traps or what kind of bait to use to catch her.

While they fret and rage, Sarah Heath shows up at some regular American public event and wins over most everybody there to her side and values. She certainly wouldn't get a lick of positive press by doing an interview, and the PDSers can't make her. Oh the huge manatee.

227 posted on 09/09/2011 1:58:27 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: P-Marlowe; editor-surveyor; CA Conservative; xzins; wmfights; Navy Patriot; Randy Larsen; mazz44; ..

It pisses me off when I get lied to and someone takes advantage of MY lack of knowledge to make me foolish!

Mark up another lesson for me on FR!

Don’t believe every thing you read from frickin’ liars!


237 posted on 09/10/2011 1:35:03 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I Stand With Sarah!)
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To: tarheelswamprat; P-Marlowe; wmfights
And xzins, your attempts to get P-Marlowe off the hook with: August/September is what she says in the video link. That fits with both “late summer” and with “late august/early september.” is simply incorrect. It does ot "fit". Early September is not equivalent to the whole month of September. P-Marlow has blustered his way through the discussion berating others and insisting Palin said early September. She did not - AP said it. What remains to be seen is if he's honest enough to admit he was wrong.

Since summer begins about 21 Jun and ends about 21 September, there is no denying that August/Semtember is late summer. June 21-July 21 would be early summer; July 22-Aug 21 would be mid-summer; and Aug 22-September 21 would be late summer.

Also, if you tell me you'll complete my building project in August/September, I would expect early September since YOU brought up August as a a "beginning of the end" point.

Sarah Palin used the word "legally" in her interview. That suggested to me anyway that there was a legal reason August/September was important to her. I don't know. I'm no lawyer.

Perhaps newspapers, though, do know what she's talking about when she says "legally". Maybe that's why they interpreted her to mean mid-September or earlier.

So, I'm going to stand by my comments even though P-Marlowe has changed his comment somewhat. First, late summer is Aug 22-Sep 21 and that frame does include "late Aug-early Sept". Second, and I pointed this out in my earlier post, "legally" is a modifier that still leaves this discussion somewhat open with regard to how others might understand what she "meant."

238 posted on 09/10/2011 5:09:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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