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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

The Talmud discusses a case where doctors say that if the mother continues with the pregnancy, she will die. In such a case, we kill the fetus in order to save the mother. Why? Because when the partial life of the fetus is weighed against the full life of the mother, we give precedence to saving the full life.

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What is the justification for such a Talmudic decree in the Tanakh? The Talmud is mideval Rabbis saying this and that, but surely life is for God to give and take according to Torah or God’s will. Where in the Tanakh is this Rabbinic abortion exception justified?

Skipping over God’s obvious displeasure with killing pregnant women in Amos 1:13, let’s proceed directly to Torah:

Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Deuteronomy 19:21

But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life
Exodus 21:23

God even cares about animals.

Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life.
Leviticus 24:18

So, I ask again, where in the Tanakh is the justification for the Talmudic principle that an unborn child is a “partial life”?

**My religion (Judaism) teaches that abortion is acceptable
**in cases of rape. I’m entitled to it.

You should be less concerned about Rabbinic Talmudism (bloodless religion invented after the destruction of the 2nd Temple), which masquerades as Torah Apocalyptic Judaism (blood sacrifices, given by God at Sinai with millions of Jews witnessing).

You should be much more concerned about what God said in the Tanakh. In the Tanakh it says, “Thus says the Lord” many times. In the Talmud it’s, “Rabbi so and so says...”. Aren’t you better off getting God’s desires for you from God?

... man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
Deuteronomy 8:3


21 posted on 09/01/2011 5:26:40 PM PDT by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we revolt.)
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To: ROTB
This is not my original opinion, but the opinion of pretty much EVERY Orthodox Jewish authority out there. Don't you think they've read the Chumash (or the Pentateuch, if you prefer that word? I was citing an Orthodox rabbi. Trust me, he's intimately familiar with it.

I don't know of any rabbi of ANY Jewish denomination who disagrees with the proposition that not only is abortion always acceptable to save the life of the mother, but it is in fact REQUIRED that this be allowed.

23 posted on 09/01/2011 5:33:11 PM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: ROTB
Exodus 21:22 states the following:

"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."

In biblical times, killing an unborn child (basically an involuntary abortion) required that you pay damages. If you killed the mother, however, you were guilty of MURDER. This is why Judaism favors the life of the mother over the life of the unborn child when their competing interests meet. The mother's right to LIFE must always take priority over the life of the unborn child.

24 posted on 09/01/2011 5:37:23 PM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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