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To: BladeBryan
Those quotes fall into two categories: so old that they’re talking about births before the 14t’h Amendment and its interpretation in the 1898 U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark decision, or so recent that they only appeared after Barack Obama was the frontrunner in the 2008 presidential campaigns. If I’m wrong on that, please cite the ones in between.

I am not going to do that for two reasons. 1. The evidence of them will not impact you whatsoever, and 2. I have such quotes, but I have yet to organize them for ready use, and I have to read through too much stuff to find them. In any case, It isn't necessary for my purpose. (I will get to it eventually though.)

I am glad you conceded this: "so old that they’re talking about births before the 14t’h Amendment". I regard it as an admission against interest, and it is more significant than you know. That they occurred PRIOR to the 14th Amendment is not as irrelevant as you may think.

Marco Rubio and Barack Obama do not need to re-try U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark. The matter was settled long before they were born.

Based on Statements by 14th Amendment proponents in the Congress, Wong Kim Ark was an error by the court. Even in error it did not grant Article II eligibility, it granted "citizenship." People keep getting stuck on the meaning of the individual words in "natural born citizen" when it does not mean what the English definitions of the Individual words implies. It is a term of art. Just as "Freedom of Speech" is a term of art. It does not refer to how easily people produce sounds, it refers to an interdiction of government from punishing people for saying things contrary or critical to those in power.

The First Amendment protection of "Freedom of Speech" is an intentional revocation of the English Law crime of "Lèse majesté". Under English law, it was ILLEGAL to say things critical of the King or the Governor, and even criticism of lesser officials could be punished.

In the Same manner the First Amendment revoked English law against criticizing the Government by the use of the three words "Freedom of Speech" whose meaning is way beyond their English Definitions, Article II revoked English Common law regarding Presidential eligibility with the use of three other words "Natural Born Citizen" the meaning of which ALSO goes way beyond their individual English Definitions. The problem with people on your side of the discussion is that you are trying to conflate the meaning of the individual words with the term of art they are intended to represent.

This tactic may work on the ignorant and the foolish, but it won't work on anyone astute enough to comprehend the distinction.

279 posted on 08/27/2011 1:33:02 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (1790 Congress: No children of a foreign father may be a citizen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“I am not going to do that for two reasons.”

Imagine my surprise to get excuses instead of the requested citations.

“Based on Statements by 14th Amendment proponents in the Congress, Wong Kim Ark was an error by the court.”

And lots of people disagreed with the Court on Bush v. Gore. That disagreement had no effect on who was president.

“This tactic may work on the ignorant and the foolish, but it won’t work on anyone astute enough to comprehend the distinction.”

So under your theory, professors of constitutional law at top universities, the editors of /Black Law Dictionary/, the referees of esteemed peer-reviewed legal journals, and the judges of the Indianan Court of Appeals are the “ignorant and foolish”, while you are the astute legal mind that comprehends the distinction.

Now consider my stated theory: The 14’th Amendment and the 1898 WKA decision settled the eligibility of the native-born. No one has to be ignorant or foolish for what they held before 1898, or about births prior to the 14’th Amendment. Back then both positions were viable. The people my theory considers ignorant and foolish are those who assert the citizen-parent requirement after that time, and I cannot find any until birthers jumped on it in October or November of 2008.


280 posted on 08/27/2011 2:14:09 PM PDT by BladeBryan
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