[so_real]

What was your agenda behind not saying what you supposedly learned in High School?

Seriously you could fill books with things I've learned in high school I've not mentioned on FR. Certainly you can say the same for yourself, no? If an old FReeper reads this post today, feels his memory jogged, and says "You know, that's the way I remember it taught too", will you chastise him for omissions in his posting history? There's a new birther coming on board every day ...

‘What were birthers, so_real specifically, saying about 0bama’s eligibility BEFORE the 2008 election - and how common was the idea that to be a natural born citizen you had to be born in country of two citizen parents - and did so_real ever say so BEFORE the election?’

Again, with the Debate 101 material ... your best "argument" is a fallacy of omission. It is called "argumentum ad ignorantium" -- you claim that because I *may* not have mentioned something akin to 'born of citizens within U.S. jurisdiction' on this forum prior to November 2008, that I could not have been educated with such an understanding prior to the date. It's a ludicrous assertion in any debate. You compound this by "stacking the deck", ignoring examples of historical figures holding the same understanding of natural born citizen, deliberately, in order to support your position.

What was I saying prior to the 2008 election? When did I first become aware that Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen? When did I become aware Obama was adopted and spent his early years in Indonesia? When did I first look at the validity of the birth certifications and certificates for the purpose of verifying lineage? Discerning the 'cause' for the 'effect' is far more rational than inventing your own conspiracy theory regarding the rise of "birtherism".

You keep claiming omissions have been made and pointing to some birther conspiracy to explain them. I lived my life, the chips fell where they fell, the differences of opinion on the definition of natural born citizen are recorded and date back for nearly as long as our union has existed. Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend that the concept was handed down through the generations and persists today? Or, is that just an act? What is your agenda here?

[allmendream]

So you WERE holding out on us.

Why didn't you think it relevant to the discussion?

I would really like to know.

It was your MEMORY that was jogged in 2008 AFTER the election - and THEN you remembered that you were taught it in High School?

My argument is not that you “could not” have known it - it is that you, and almost no other FReeper, bothered to impart this information that it is now claimed.....

Everyone knew.

Taught in High School.

Absolutely the standard not subject to debate.

Our Congress and Electors are traitors to the Constitution because they didn't enforce this well known and commonly accepted standard.

And any number of other nonsensical inaccurate claims.

I was here.

I saw the shift in opinion.

I knew when it was new.

I now know that birthers have to pretend it was always well known.

It was not.

That is my point.

It was an almost unheard of definition of Natural Born Citizen on ALL eligibility threads, or anything written or talked about contemporaneously - until AFTER the 2008 election.

Is it any wonder why pointing this out makes you birthers HOWL?

Because to construct the fantastical treason fantasies it simply HAS to be something that everyone knew and then ignored.

They HAVE an agenda. Everyone on our side, elected official or commentator, who doesn't sign on has been bought off - sold out - or nefariously threatened. Oh yeah!!!!