Egypt decides to withdraw ambassador from Israel

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Not on the map is yet ANOTHER Mosques being built near where I live in North Texas that I'm not thrilled about, but it's a reality and I can deny it, I can pretend it means nothing and minimize it... that is what you're engaging in.

You need to learn to seperate what you would like it to be and what is, who conveys a message and who's the culprit...

Do you think that a growing community with lots of money and voters influences things? You bet,

“The thread is about Egypt and Israel today, not about some fantasy you have of Israel eventually losing a final battle. “ A fantasy that Netanyahu fears as well.

OK, since now you wish to get back to Egypt after your Israel GDP growth argument went up in smoke: http://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP183/index2.html

Egypt is actually a good example of what I'm talking about. Irrespective of the uprising (That's nearly superfluous although it grabs the media) they today are politically far more important to us. The driving forces behind their vast gain in political influence are: oil (~12,000 barrels to the US come from there daily), ~ 6.8 billion dollars in exports to Egypt in 2010 (Nothing compared to Israel which is about three times that, but what is the trend. It's already enough to where the US considers well the consequences). Growing numbers of US citizens that are expats or have through other means a tie back to Egypt. In 1990 there were about 76,000 Egyptians in the US, by 2000 that rose to 142,000 and today it will surely be far more. Now imagine the entire Muslim population in the US is about 2.5+ million. At the same time, Egypt's population has gone from 20 million when Israel was founded to 82 million today and will reach 114 million before it likely levels off. They are more plugged in than ever before and when the uprising started, the Internet was flooded with blogs and other communications about it. The number of US persons going to Egypt for pleasure or business has increased nearly ten fold since the end of Egypt's alignment with the Soviets in the Cold War. In 2008 alone, 319,000 tourists from the US visited Egypt. That's still behind Israel by 200,000, but what does that tell you? (http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2008-01-23-american-tourism-to-israel_N.htm) We sell arms to Egypt, to include weapon systems like Patriot, F16, etc. Even in the US, there are many for whom the lines of who is friend and foe are fuzzy. Their economy of course at this moment is ground to a halt, but overall their entire economic volume amounts to more than twice that of Israel.

I understand that in your simplistic world, their uprising this second appears to be weakness, but long term and at the macro when we look at the West and it's dealings with the Middle East, the Middle East at large, Israel and her occupied territories, the trend is one of a massive power shift to the Arab/Muslim side and as stated before, demographics, economics, strategic resources (oil), the political process and the media are the cause of this power shift.

“If you were truly supportive of Israel, don’t attack me for pointing this out, ask yourself what you should do.”

Go ahead, tell us what we should do. (and what you’re doing about the mosque in your backyard.”

Well, that's a difficult question, isn't it?

***On a personal level:

I vote based on my political/moral views
I don't give bad guys my money
I try to inform people
I breed
I make preparations for the long run to preserve myself and family
I ensure my offspring has a solid moral compass that reflects my values (offspring brainwashed by the enemy doesn't count)

I also make perpetration's for when things get ugly, because it's an inevitability. The multicultural society does not exist. It doesn't exist in France, Israel, Germany or anywhere else where we talk about cultures with conflicting views of the world. It never has. Like socialism, it's a Utopian idea that only works in an academic setting. Islam as a whole is incompatible with Western liberal democracy (in the traditional meaning of the world liberal). May it be our legal code, Constitution, the idea of equality of man, none of this truly jives in Islamic society. Embracing diversity amounts to no more than self deprecation and empowering those that have mutually exclusive value systems to gain influence in ones own society. At present, because of their relatively low numbers they do not feel empowered nor do they heavily influence society through the policial process, but as their numbers grow this changes. Realize, the use of demographics to shift power is nothing new to this culture as absurd as this sounds to us, that's what they did in Sudan, a religious civil-war that is characterized as anything else besides what it really is in secular Western society that doesn't want to see this. North America and Europe are like a horse with blinders on this issue. Arab and other Muslim countries pour money and fighters into Sudan which is split in half (North Muslim, South Christian). Of course it wasn't always that way, because years past like Lebanon it was predominately Christian. Hmmmm, Lebanon, I wonder what happened there? In Sudan you have conversion at swords edge, subjugation of non-Muslims in Muslim controlled area's and all we hear about is some Hollywood actress adopting another African baby. Ask the Coptic Christains or Jews living in Egypt (That exists BTW) or Iraq (I've been there too) what life in a Muslim nation as a non-Muslim is like. The multicultural society that the secular Westerner strives for will only work for as long as their inclusive and egalitarian ideology is the predominant one of the land.

Reality is, the issue is beyond me, the state I live in or even the government in D.C. Not even the US can slow this down even if she cared and tried. Like a run away locomotive, globalization is largely the driving force behind this power shift and not even at a national level would we really be able to stop the trend now. So one does what one can within the defined limits of society to change things to a more positive way or slow the progression down while one makes preparations for the worst case scenario.

Any true solutions to this issue would first require society to become conscious of what is going on, and we don't have that. You have Americans arguing and putting each other down because of the teaching or lack thereof of evolution, in the meantime seven (7) Islamic schools instruct kids in North Texas.

***On a national level, if I were in charge:

Enforce English language standards (We think in words)

Restrict immigration by regions (control it better)

Toughen up citizenship requirements to where we get less pure economic tourists that have no true interest in the US but simply want a job for as long as the sun shines

Reduce energy dependencies from unstable regions and nations that don't like us

Push for national identity/American exceptionalism to be reinforced in education. Stop the "America is bad" crap in public education.

Allow religion (Judea Christian) to seep into public education and discourse (value system)

Push for social expectations and norms that strive for assymilation vs. diversity. For example, in France there is no headscarf.

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They keep forgetting ... they keep thinking they can defeat Israel

Tanks for the memories...

Netanyahu is thinking, “Don’t make us come over there and kick your ass.....again!”

They don’t generally screw around.

On a national level, if the US were to try to get control of what is going on, it would ultimately require two or three things that can be done in many different ways:

Assimilation pressures
Immigration controls
Reduce “dependencies” on these regions/nations

How we push assimilation, how we control immigration can vary, but ultimately those are the tools with which you'll get this under control in the long term.