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To: Paul Ross; Perdogg; crusty old prospector; thepatriot1
but I am against either a wall or a fence for technical reasons and because of the expense.

It's the law. And its practical. When you consider that the majority of the illegals come through via trucks, a fence makes awesomely good sense.

Watch the video at Post 51 of illegals jumping the fence like jackrabbits and blow-torching through the Fence. It makes no sense at all.

So, the U.S. Government builds the Fence for $3 Billion to keep trucks from driving though. How could you possibly counteract that?

It's not Rocket Science.

Truck ride to Raul's Ladder Rental's secret crossing point on Mexican side: 1,250 Pesos

Raul's ladder rental fee: 500 Pesos

Ladder Assistant to help women over the Fence: Complementary (Raul is a gentleman)

Truck ride pick up at secret crossing point on the U.S. side by Raul's cousin Roberto: 500 Dollars

Laughing at the end of the day over a few Coronas at how easy it was to defeat a $3 Billion Fence: Priceless.

Thepatriot1's suggestion (See Post 62), now that makes sense.

94 posted on 08/17/2011 11:48:09 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: Polybius
Watch the video at Post 51 of illegals jumping the fence like jackrabbits and blow-torching through the Fence. It makes no sense at all. So, the U.S. Government builds the Fence for $3 Billion to keep trucks from driving though. How could you possibly counteract that? It's not Rocket Science.

And it's not rocket science to know that they never put up the fence they were supposed to...and were funded to do. Actually, Bush only spent $200 million, and built far, far less than he was supposed to...because he DIDN'T WANT to stop illegal alien incursions into the U.S. We all know that. He was a fake on national security.

Check out this story:

Where U.S.-Mexico border fence is tall, border crossings fall

In Yuma, Ariz., border patrol agents tout the success of a high triple-and double-layered wall. But such a fence is unlikely to stretch the entire border.

By Daniel B. Wood, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor / April 1, 2008

Yuma, Ariz. US border patrol agent Michael Bernacke guns his SUV down the wide desert-sand road that lines the US-Mexican border through urban San Luis, Ariz.

To his right stands a steel wall, 20 feet high and reinforced by cement-filled steel piping. To his left another tall fence of steel mesh. Ten yards beyond, a shorter cyclone fence is topped with jagged concertina wire. Visible to the north, through the gauze of fencing are the homes and businesses of this growing Southwest suburbia of 22,000 people.

"This wall works," says Mr. Bernacke. "A lot of people have the misconception that it is a waste of time and money, but the numbers of apprehensions show that it works."

The triple-and double-layered fence here in Yuma is the kind of barrier that US lawmakers – and most Americans – imagined when the Secure Fence Act was enacted in 2006.

The law instructed the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to secure about one-third of the 1,950-mile border between US and Mexico with 700 miles of double-layered fencing – and additionally through cameras, motion sensors, and other types of barriers – by the end of the year to stem illegal immigration.

Bankrolled by a separate $1.2 billion homeland security bill, the Secure Fence Act would, President Bush said in 2006, "make our borders more secure." By most recent estimates, nearly half a million unauthorized immigrants cross the border each year.

On the ground, though, things have turned out differently.

The DHS scaled back its ambitions early on, trimming its end-of-2008 target down to 300 miles of vehicle barrier and 370 miles of pedestrian barrier.

As of February, 302 miles of barrier have been constructed mostly on federal land in Arizona, New Mexico, and California, and slightly over half of this has been built under the new law.

Just $200 million will have been spent by June, according to Lloyd Easterling, the border patrol public information officer.

Only a fraction of the new barriers resemble anything like the images of formidable fencing – the Berlin Wall or the bleak monolith that divides Israel and the West Bank – envisioned by the initial proposal. Most of the new fencing is not a double wall, but a combination of regular vehicle blocks and pedestrian barriers that range from metal mesh and chain link to traditional picket fences.

And partly because of resistance from local landowners, the December deadline would be tough to meet, US government auditors have warned.

Yuma's formidable fence

In Yuma, at least, the fence seems to be preventing illegal border-crossings.

Bernacke, the patrol agent, says that since the triple fence was finished in October, there has been a 72 percent decline in illegal migrant apprehensions in the 120-mile swath of the US-Mexican border known as the Yuma sector. Eight hundred people used to be apprehended trying to cross the border here every day. Now, agents catch 50 people or fewer daily.

The 1.5-mile strip of triple fencing that cuts through suburban San Luis is the most impenetrable, says Bernacke.

That's because the three walls are separated here by a 75-yard "no man's land" – a flat, sandy corridor punctuated by pole-topped lighting, cameras, radio systems, and radar units, where unauthorized migrants can be chased down by border agents.

And BTW: The Fences were never to be totally independent in their stopping the incursions...there were primarily to HELP the patrols principally by helping detectability, and delaying the speed of crossings, and limiting the mobility and viabilities of the intruders. And the example herin obviously shows it works. Time to fully enforce the Law, that Bush and Obama are violating.


138 posted on 08/17/2011 1:26:40 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Polybius
Your post is idiotic and pertains only to an unmonitored border fence. The Israelis have none of those problems because they aggressively patrol their border fence and respond to all intrusions. They have a patrol road running parallel to their fence. Try climbing the Israel border fence with a ladder? Or making a hole in it with an oxyacetylene torch? You will be caught and rounded up

Ever see the high wrought iron fence around the White House? It is monitored by the Secret Service. You can climb it but you will be nabbed by the SS. Idiots climb it all the time. 

Put a border fence on the entire Mexico border. Monitor it and patrol it. Add 5,000 National Guard to help out and we will have no more illegal alien border jumpers.


208 posted on 08/18/2011 2:21:29 AM PDT by dennisw (A total waste of oxye)
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