Decent try at humor. Now try to get back to earning your salary down in that basement at Perry headquarters.
Posted on 08/17/2011 12:40:57 AM PDT by bronxville
You have the right to your opinion but, don’t get me wrong concerning Perry.
I only voted of him in 2010 to avoid having KBH as governor.
However, Perry is obviously pro 2nd, pro-life, pro-military, pro-Israel, for small governemnt and fairly fiscally responsible. That’s not the definition of a liberal RINO, IMO.
My case for Perry is I believe he’s got what it takes to beat Obama, something the rest of the GOP lacks. Bottom line.
Yes, and I said, and say again, that is is absurd to compare adding a vaccine to the list of required vaccines to Obama and the democrats implementing Obamacare.
Every executive decision looks like every other executive decision, if you speak broadly enough. But Obamacare was passed by legislators. It was debated in congress for months. It was out in the open, and we all knew how bad it was, and the democrats passed it anyway, not for cronyism, but because they had an ideological belief in a single-payer government-run health system and this was how they were getting there.
I don’t accept Malkin’s hypothesis that Perry trampled on the deliberative process (didn’t the legislature pass the vaccine law that sets up mandatory vaccines for school, and give the authority to put specific vaccines on or off the list to an executive department?), “human shield demagogery” (that sounds clever but is stupid, “for the children” isn’t “human shield” — human shield is “I’m holding up consideration of this law that will really help people until you pass my rediculous bill into law”), and cronyism (We can go after ANY politician, democrat or republican, for taking interest in laws that affect the people who support them with donations).
But taking them as fact, they have nothing to do with Obamacare (the word you used in YOUR comment), nor or they Obama-like relative to Obamacare.
Obamacare was an abuse of the legislative process, not a trampling of the deliberative process. It was defended as saving the country money, of reforming our medical system, it lowered the deficit, it gave everybody health insurance, and to help people who pay for insurance to pay less because it removed the burden of the uninsured (These were all false, but THOSE were the selling points, not some “human shield” argument that we had to pass it in order to pass something necessary).
And it was not about Obama paying back his supporters (he did a LOT of that of course). It was about pushing a left-wing ideology on the country, taking over the health care system, making us more socialist. There were things put in the bill that supporters wanted, but that was to buy votes, not because the bill was written to do so.
People who we are trying to convince to repeal Obamacare will be confused by an argument that Perry is as bad as Obama because he added a vaccine to a required list. When they see the absurdity of making a big deal about it, they will wonder if the same people are making too big a deal about Obamacare.
Everybody here agrees that Romney is a real problem, because he implemented and defended an Obamacare-like program in Mass. So we say RomneyCare is like Obamacare, and that ROmney has an Obamacare problem, and we question how Romney will campaign against Obama on the issue because Obama can praise ROmney for his own version of Obamacare.
That’s what an “Obamacare problem looks like, and Romneycare was legislation that looks “Obama-like”. I don’t see a teneble argument that Obama will be able to point to Perry’s adding Gardicil to the school vaccine list and saying “See, Perry supports Obamacare”. They are entirely different things, and were arrived at in entirely different manner and for entirely DIFFERENT reasons.
No, there is no comparison between adding a vaccine and Obamacare, and there is no comparison between HOW Perry added a vaccine, and how Obama and the democrats enacted Obamacare.
It’s just another way for people who oppose Perry to reframe the Gardicil debate by tying it to something all conservatives and a majority of americans loathe.
Fair enough. Have a good day FReeper friend.
You too!
PS: Pray for some rain?
Rain?! What's that. I seem to remember something like that a long dry time ago. At 60 I seem to be having trouble trying to handle the heat wave and with no rain it is just downright miserable in my neck of the woods. Scheduled to hit 104° on the thermometer today and most likely with about a 111° feel like temp. I need to finish installing a receiver hitch on my SUV. Whew.....
You’ve got my number Detective Dingbat. I should have covered my tracks more carefully!
Decent try at humor. Now try to get back to earning your salary down in that basement at Perry headquarters.
Read the quote. He said he didn’t research the need for a discussion with the citizenry. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904070604576514604171010750.html
Although his Executive Order was clumsy, the Legislature had given him the power by delegating the authority to the Executive Branch.
There were Bills pending that would have added the vaccine to the code, but would have increased the difficulty of opting out.
The Texas Statutes regulating vaccines for school age children are the Health and Human Services Code, the Government Code, and in particular, The Education Code, Chapter 38.001. Section 38.001 lists the diptheria, rubeola, rubella, mumps tetanus and poliomyelitis vaccines, but not the Hepatitis B, A and Chicken Pox vaccines that are also mandated by regulations. This section also contains the laws on how parents can opt out of the mandated vaccines.
Correct links for laws mandating vaccines - 8/17/11
http://law.onecle.com/texas/education/38.001.00.html
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/HS/htm/HS.161.htm
Representatives Farrar and Van de Putte had introduced bills that would have amended the Education Code. SB 110 http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/SB00110I.htm and HB 215 would have also added newly mandated brochures and extra steps for parents who wanted to “opt out.”
[Earlier in this thread, after a lazy first read of the Malkin piece, I did mistakenly argue that Malkin was drawing a defensible comparison between ObamaCare and the Gardasil mandate. But that was my mistaken interpretation, not Malkin's contention.]
I don’t accept Malkin’s hypothesis that Perry trampled on the deliberative process (didn’t the legislature pass the vaccine law that sets up mandatory vaccines for school, and give the authority to put specific vaccines on or off the list to an executive department?), “human shield demagogery” (that sounds clever but is stupid, “for the children” isn’t “human shield” — human shield is “I’m holding up consideration of this law that will really help people until you pass my rediculous bill into law”), and cronyism (We can go after ANY politician, democrat or republican, for taking interest in laws that affect the people who support them with donations).
Your response here doesn't rebut Malkin in regards to charges of cronyism, trampling deliberative process, or demagoguery. It's as if you're responding to what you think is in the article rather than what is actually in the article. Malkin makes specific claims and citations and you respond with a generalization (all politicians could be accused of cronyism), a semantic argument ("human shield" is clever but doesn't mean what she thinks it mean) and a red herring (Perry had legal authority via a vaccine law).
It’s just another way for people who oppose Perry to reframe the Gardicil debate by tying it to something all conservatives and a majority of americans loathe.
It doesn't take a false comparison with ObamaCare to tie the Gardasil mandate to something loathsome. What Perry did with regards to the Gardasil mandate is loathsome enough on its own.
I mean that jello reference must have come right out of the Lincoln Douglas handbook. There's no way I can compete.
I can say you are certainly living up to (or is that down to in your case) what I have come to expect from Austin based Libertarians or just plain old Libertarians which ever the case may be. Either way I’m proud of you GunRunner for striving to live up to the Libertarian moniker. You deserve a real ‘attaboy’ for hanging tough with such a weighty moniker hanging around your neck.
Back to the box of wine for you old man. Drink up!
About half of all men and women are infected with HPV at some point in their lives, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The agency recommends that girls get the vaccine when they are 11 or 12 so they will have immunity before they become sexually active.
I have no problems with Executive Orders. With this order, I am troubled due to the appearance of carrying Merks water. However, whether or not this immunization should be mandated of those who attend public school is a close call. Sometimes a leader needs to lead and accept the consequences.
The below immunizations are currently required of school children in Texas:
Poliomyelitis (Polio) Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis (DPT, DTaP) Measles, Mumps, or Rubella
Hepatitis B (hepatitis, hepatitis B is a type that can move from one person to another through blood and other bodily fluids. It can be transmitted through sexual intercourse and through needles — such as those shared by intravenous drug or steroid users who have the virus, or tattoo needles that haven’t been properly sterilized.)
Varicella (the chickenpox vaccine)
Hepatitis A
Haemophilus influenzae type b (HiB) and invasive pneumococcal vaccines.
To this list Perry added the HPV vaccine. Ironically, Executive Orders by Texas Governors carry no force of law. Although the Governor may direct State agencies to draft rules, they are under no compulsion to do so. The Governor may direct funds be spent on a program; however, that power belongs to the Legislature.
HPV causes virtually all cases of cervical cancer and genital warts. HPV infects approximately 20 million people in the United States with 6.2 million new cases each year. There is no treatment for HPV, only treatment for related health problems. There are more than 30 strains of HPV that affect at least half of sexually active people in their lifetime. Most strains of HPV do not produce any symptoms and disappear on their own. Cervical cancer is the second leading cancer killer of women worldwide. In the United States, nearly 10,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer each year and 3,700 women die.
As of 2011, there are two FDA-approved vaccines on the market. Merck’s Gardasil, which protects against HPV strains 6, 11, 16 and 18, and GlaxoSmithKline’s Cervarix, which targets HPV strains 16 and 18. Almost 70 percent of cervical cancer cases and 90 percent of genital warts cases are linked to these four strains of HPV. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommends administering the vaccine to girls between 11 and 12 years of age, before they become sexually active.
Bills have been introduced in about 20 states to require the vaccine.
Beats the heck out those funny smelling cigarettes you Libertarians like to pass around and inhale on there in Austin laddy.
That’s libertarian with a small L. I’ve never been nor have plans to associate with the Losertarian Party.
Would LOVE a link to that. I get that form for my kiddos and other vaccines and it is not an “as long as they’re in school” thing...it’s 2 years and it’s been that way for a decade. Or else the STate of TX lies to me.
Thanks, neverdem. Too much about the guy is shaky or worse. I think he’s supposed to be the spoiler to split the Bachmann vote and put Romney on the ticket.
I was relying on information from a Houston Chronicle reporter and it was faulty. When I investigated at the Texas website, it indicates two years, so I won't argue with that. I will twist the tail of the reporter for getting it wrong.
Hahaha.... no problem, but you’ll never catch that reporter, those HouChron guys are so slimy, they’ll slip right through your hands like a greased pig. :0)
I play golf with him...”Did that hurt? Sorry, my bad.”
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