London riots: 'People are fighting back. It's their neighbourhoods at stake'

The Guardian ^ | Wednesday 10 August 2011 | Peter Beaumont, Jasmine Coleman and Sandra Laville

[The Bronze Titan]

When the rioters came to attack the premises of Kurdish and Turkish businesses in Hackney's Stoke Newington High Street and Kingsland Road on Monday night, the owners were waiting for them. "It was between about nine and 10 at night," said Yilmaz Karagoz, sitting in his coffee shop next to a jeweller's shop that has been shuttered since Sunday when the rioting began and a pharmacy that closed a day after. "There were a lot of them. We came out of our shops but the police asked us to do nothing. But the police did not do anything so, as more came, we chased them off ourselves." ... read more

[The Bronze Titan]

HERE IS THE MAJOR LESSON (this country better be prepared):

Karagoz tried to explain another feature of these riots – why Turkish and Kurdish youths had generally not joined the looting.

- "We have businesses and work hard for what we have. As parents we want our children to work, earn money and be able to buy what they want, not steal it. Our young people know we would be ashamed of them if they were doing this."

[TigerClaws]

Reminds me of the Korean shop owners with guns waiting for rioters in Los Angeles.

When it really goes down, cops run the other direction.

Amazon UK baseball bat sales are up 50,000%...

[Thane_Banquo]

You mean, raising your kids to honor hard work and respect the rule of law ACTUALLY WORKS?!?!?

I’m SHOCKED! SHOCKED!

/sarc

[no-to-illegals]

we chased them off ourselves

Hooray!

[JPG]

' the police asked us to do nothing'

I think I recognize a big part of the problem.

[silverleaf]

The Second Coming
by Wm Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

1920

[yldstrk]

They haven’t been fed the lies that white people or joooooooos took from them or owe them anything.

[Texas Eagle]

What! The concept of self-defense is still alive in Britain?

Heads will roll for this!

[yldstrk]

Yeah the cops are just good at ganging up on single perps and making a report.

[FlingWingFlyer]

Hopefully, the Second Amendment will help decent people keep this kind of commie crap under control once it begins here. Thank God and the Founding Fathers for the Second Amendment.

[2banana]

They sound like Americans!

[SMARTY]

Listen up America!!!!

[ScottinVA]

the police asked us to do nothing

Doesn't surprise me. In the UK, you're also told you should simply flee if your home is invaded.

I say... HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL No!!!

[Vigilanteman]

Here you have the official view of the ruling class, right from the article:

But a 23-year-old council worker, who had just been evacuated from Hackney town hall due to fears of further rioting, said he was concerned tensions between communities could increase.

"It is just going to make matters worse. I would hate to see this turn into a generational or racial battle."

It may not be as nuanced and polished as an official ruling class document would have read, but the guy is 23 years old, so give him a break.

Defending your property is only going to make matters worse and could lead to racial and generational conflict.

Things will be better if you just let the "youths" have their way. Got it? < / sarcasm >

[GonzoGOP]

Interestingly this is how feudalism replaced the Roman Empire. When the government could no longer protect the towns against the raiders, the locals started building walls and setting up militias. After a while they realized that they could not only stand off the raiders, but the tax collectors as well. Maintaining roads became a liability to the locals, as it just let the tax payers and raiders move faster. So the roads were allowed to fall to ruin.

We are coming into a new dark age. Not exactly like the last one. But as central governments can no longer provide the goodies you will see more and more local strongmen ignoring increasingly impotent central authority. It might take the form of sanctuary cities for the leftists, or rejections of Obamacare on the right. But in either case the message is clear. Locals standing at the border raising a one finger salute to the central government.

[ScottinVA]

But the police did not do anything so, as more came, we chased them off ourselves."

Like any pack of feral, knuckledragging animals -- they'll tuck tail, screech in terror and bound away when challenged.

[Dr. Ursus]

I’ve been watching the BBC.I’ve seen the deputy prime minster run out of a neighborhood by shop owners.The same with that A-hole mayor of London.

[grobdriver]

Amazon UK baseball bat sales are up 50,000%

Cause that's all they can use in the UK... but the perps are well armed, I bet.

[Texas Eagle]

"It is just going to make matters worse. I would hate to see this turn into a generational or racial battle."

Too late. By its very nature, Socialism is a generational curse.

As Lady Thatcher once said, "The problem with Socialism is that, eventually, you run out of other people's money."

The racial component is added in simply as a diversion. Socialism cannot survive without scapegoats.

[Biggirl]

THANK-YOU for making morning, day!