Posted on 08/06/2011 11:01:09 PM PDT by Kartographer
I sincerely hope that, in thus dismissing the near-unanimous (so far as I'm aware) opinion of British Freepers on this subject, you're not categorising us as 'ultra-biased critics like the Anti-Fascists'
I remember a line from the movie, “It Happened Here”, about what a potential Nazi occupation of Britain would be like, that line stuck with me:
“The appalling thing about fascism is that you’ve got to use fascist methods to get rid of it. “
I find that statement to be very true, and if Islamo-Fascism is allowed to take hold, it will take extreme measures to get rid of it.
Get a clue?.
I am British, born and bred.
I am ex-armed forces.
I am a conservative opposed to mass immigration, political correctness and extremism.
I have lived and worked all over the UK.
I follow passionately my own nation’s politics ans current affairs.
And most importantly, I have known people on the far right, from the NF in the 1980’s to the EDL now. Think you are the only one?.
The fact that you welcome that they were/are football hooligans is symptomatic of your romantic notions: you have never clearly been in the middle of hooligans on the rampage, a group who then and now have no qualms about kicking in the heads of any innocent civilians in their midst, irrespective of what hooligan group they are. English national hooligans, Manchester United hooligans, Chelsea, Welsh, minor club hooligans, they all behave in the same way. I assume you know that as well as fighting each other, hooligans will terrorise the public.
I know. I have been there: caught in the middle of it AND seen it close up from safety. So I find your romantic notion of a football hooligan laughable and pathetic. If you lived in Britain, and have seen the damage and violence in general caused by football hooligans over the last 40 years, you’d have an even less starry-eyed notion.
The fact that you bash me and other British freepers (all of whom are conservative, anti-islamic extremism, anti-mass immigration, pro-american and anti-leftist) as apologists when we criticise the EDL is equally arrogant. Did you even think for a second that we, as people who are actually British and see the EDL up close, might be right, might have a better grasp of what they actually are?.
You and I agree 100% that Islamic terrorism is the biggest threat today. You and I agree that leftist violence is a major threat and gets condoned and apologised for. BUT that ipso facto dosent make the EDL, or BNP, or Combat 18 et al heroes or right.
The EDL ARE a group with racist and anti-semitic links, members and background. You may not want to hear that, the guys you know may deny it, but the actual facts when you scratch the surface are there...
Ever seen how the average Bahamian lives, away from the cruise ship docks? It's not pretty.
The EDL looks like it’s doing the hard work the rest of the “conservatives” in England won’t do.
I know the BNP are bad, are there links between them and the EDL?
You are speaking hatefully about some good friends of mine. People I seriously doubt you know or care about but happen to be honorable men whom I respect.
You make a lot of assumptions about people you don’t know and give no one the benefit of the doubt. That’s why I say “get a clue.”
Riots? For all you know, I might have participated in a few during my time and had my head clubbed a time or two. Those EDL boys are FORMER hooligans who have learned to channel their energies.
If the people in the UK don’t want some of those chaps and they want to re-locate, I’d be happy to sponsor a couple. They might provide the missing ingredient on the US right.
The left always has a crowd of burly thugs join in their actions. What do we have? Largely grandparents who yell loudly but limp their way to and from a meeting.
And if you think physical altercations aren’t in the future of American politics, then who is being naive?
And if you generalize and pass judgment like that in public, you will attract some wicked attention sooner or later.
I’m preaching self-defense. The lefties practice aggression.
At least here we have the Tea Party, made up of average citizens who are willing to take the heat, and are getting results as evidenced by the November elections and the left’s fear and hatred of us. Where is your Tea Party? Where are your “conservative” citizens willing to take a stand? Until you have a movement like that, the EDL will flourish. Is the average Brit so afraid of being labeled a “racist” that they’ll hide in their homes instead of working for change?
I second your view that the romantic notion of hooliganism is pathetic. Speaking as someone who ended up in the hospital due to EDL thugs, there is nothing good or admirable about them.
That was scotsman who was attacking hooligans.
I wasn’t defending hooligans, I was defending former hooligans who have organized politically.
Who say you were injured by EDL members. Late me inquire, who provoked that incident? I’ll bet militant muzzies were at the bottom of it.
We don’t have “hooligans” over here but the tea paries I’ve attended could have used a security detachment of tough-looking young men. The opposition has no compunction about doing it and they always end up being the provocateurs and aggressors.
I see no way that the next 15 months will avoid numerous physical left-right confrontations. I hate giving the other side the physical advantage.
Until the rest of you “conservative” Brits get off your butts and take the Tea Party path, the EDL is all you’ve got. What’s the matter with you people? Afraid of being called a “racist?” You all need to grow some spines.
‘You are speaking hatefully about some good friends of mine. People I seriously doubt you know or care about but happen to be honorable men whom I respect.’
EDL men and ex-football hooligans are honourable?. If you truly think that, then god help you. The young men and women of your nation and mine fighting in Afghanistan are honourable in true meaning of the word.
If you truly think men whose idea of a hobby a few years ago was causing violence, intimidation and fear to town and city centres across Britain and whose current political stance is to support a movement whose leaders all have convictions for violence and racist crimes (not to mention many of the mass of EDL supporters) are honourable, then I feel sorry for you.
And no, I dont care if I offended you because a couple of EDL men are cyber-friends of yours. Because I am from the country they are from and I know what they do and what they are. I am British. They are British. So I more than you have the right to pass judgement on what they are. If that offends, tough sh*t, pal.
Good friends of yours?. Who cares?. I have no doubt the junkie burglar who tried to burgle my house in Sept 2008 has family and friends. Dosent mean he isnt a junkie scumbag. Even low lifes have friends.
‘You make a lot of assumptions about people you don’t know and give no one the benefit of the doubt. That’s why I say “get a clue.”’
And by god, you make a lot of assumptions about people, groups and the politics and culture of a country that isnt yours. And IS mine. And NikkiB’s. And Winnieboy’s, Vanders9’s....
Again, I and the the other British Freepers know the EDL a damn site better than you. When will you get that through your thick head?.
‘Riots? For all you know, I might have participated in a few during my time and had my head clubbed a time or two.’
Clearly.
‘If the people in the UK don’t want some of those chaps and they want to re-locate, I’d be happy to sponsor a couple. They might provide the missing ingredient on the US right.’
Great.
Please take them.
I dont want them in my country.
Many.
On an individual basis, many members are members of both groups (the BNP is a organised political party, the EDL more a street movement, so they arent mutually exclusive).
The BNP publicly distances itself from the EDL, but actually you need to do very little digging to find they overlap:
http://kirkunity.blogspot.com/2009/10/just-who-is-edl-leadership.html
Islamic extremism is a serious problem (if somewhat over played) in the UK, but racist thugs like the BNP/EDL, who even have links to more extreme UK neo-nazi groups like Combat 18 are NOT the answer.
Tight immigration, the end of PC-ism, and the end of the failed multicultural experiment and a return to a more homogenous British culture which can safely incorporate its different strands, be they Scottish, Irish, black, Muslim etc IS the answer.
Muslim Population2. 16640 people | 15.2% of total population
This is the last post I’m going to make on this. Jimbo does not take kindly to FReeper feuds and I will not sacrifice nearly 11 years here for a p_____g match.
I happen to be a Christian and I believe in redemption. People can change-—they do it all the time. Ever meet a “former drunk?” If I say that someone is a “former” or “reformed” hooligan, that is exactly how I am reading them. And i am a very good judge of character.
One even confided that he investigated C18 but decided against them because of the racism and raw extremism.
If you are looking for friends with pristine personal histories, you obviously have no time for somebody like me-—I wouldn’t even start to meet your standards.
So long.
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