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To: blam
“Barack Obama will not need to worry about the debt ceiling again until after the 2012 election, and no “real” spending cuts will happen until after the 2012 election. The way the political game in Washington D.C. is played today, if you don't get something right now, you probably will never end up getting it.”

That is how I see it.

The only recourse Conservatives and Tea Party groups have is to REMIND voters on a perpetual, consistently repeated basis that the deal is a win in principle... and means nothing unless it is pursued with equally principled action!! Nothing can be expected overnight. Frankly, we are lucky we made the headway we did.

7 posted on 08/03/2011 7:04:56 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: SMARTY

Okay, fine. The arguement is that the Republicans didn’t want to take the blame if they said NO to raising the debt ceiling, which could impede chances of winning Senate and Presidency in 2012.

Now, suppose that Republicans do win big in 2012. Then what? Do they make massive cuts in entitlements and end EPA, DoEnergy, DoEducation, etc.? The deficit?...NOT LIKELY, for the same reason - they want Republicans to be re-elected in 2014, expecially the freshmen will be sophomores by then! THEY WILL NEVER HOLD THE LINE!!! and we as a nation are going down like Greece.


10 posted on 08/03/2011 7:17:46 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: SMARTY

“Frankly, we are lucky we made the headway we did.”

This is what we are being told to think. I say BS, conservative came out the big losers here. Even the brain dead public understood this arguement.

‘If you take ten dollars into a store you can’t buy a twenty dollar item’.
If you have a credit card bill for $5,000.00 dollars and you can only pay $1,000.00 you are going to have to make payments with interest’

We conservatives had 75% of the public behind a balanced budget and lowering the deficit. It is VERY rare that there is such a consensus on any major issues. The beltway Republican establishment caved when they could have pressed the issue for a win. Instead they supported a deal which increases the debt ceiling by almost 10 trillion dollars over the next decade. The Democrats scored big here, not only did they get to continue out of control spending but they managed to divide the Republicans even more.

I dropped out of the Republican Party during GW’s second run knowing full well what this Party has become. Every Republican that voted for this bill must be defeated. I will never give up the fight. I will always vote conservative.


13 posted on 08/03/2011 8:06:07 AM PDT by doc
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