” I dont recall any stated formal creation theory per se, but Dr. Brown does explain his hydroplate theory [replaces plate tectonics]”
Without a concisely stated theory you don’t have anything since how could you possibly test it. Simply criticizing another theory makes you a skeptic, not a proponent of another theory. If the creationists’ “theory” is what’s in Genesis then they should clearly state so. Then we could test it against reality, such as, was all of the universe really created in seven days 4000 some odd years ago? Was Noah really able to fit a pair of each species in the Ark? Were all the species that ever existed created then? And son on.
I don’t have any problem with someone critiquing a theory and pointing out its shortcomings. That’s all part of good science and how a theory is improved, and even discarded. Science is filled with such cases.
But I have tremendous problems with people who start with a dogmatic belief which they will not alter regardless of what contrary evidence is presented, and insist on calling it a scientific theory simply to insert themselves in the classroom in order to neutralize a legitimate theory that conflicts with their dogma. I find such behavior disingenuous at best and most likely dishonest, and very reprehensible, not to mention un-Christian.
Now, the evolutionary theory may very well be incomplete or possibly wrong. I myself have a hard time believing some of it’s aspects, while in many cases it seems to make a lot of sense. But simply because it may be lacking doesn’t make somebody’s dogma right.
Ah please excuse me for answering so quickly and from memory rather than researching each and every of your concerns, and questions. How rude of me [/sarc]!
I provide you the links the least you could do is read them for yourself. What exactly have you read and what do you truly know or believe?
Such a load that I’m making ‘dogmatic’ claims, ‘inserting myself in the classroom’ and then you call evolution a legitimate theory. I’m so glad evolution never does any of those things! [sarc/]
You took 1 sentence from my rather lengthy post out of context in relation to all my other statements. What evolutionary theory?!?! Please show me just one - ha!
The point was no one can truly test creation nor evolution nor provide a formal scientific theory. Where is the evolution theory ever properly completely defined?
Did Darwin define one? Oh that’s right it depends upon who you ask and who you trust.
Where the rubber really meets the road -
PLEASE PLEASE show me evolution’s falsifiable tests for transitional forms?
You completely ignored the part where I told you neither is science because it is history 1st and foremost ~ neither one can be repeated / reproduced.
You want hard and fast theories than stick w/ hard science.
Evolution is not repeatable, contains more lies and outright fraud than all other scientific disciplines combined, and continually has to re-create not just goal-posts but all the rules of the game. Oh and please show me where the scientific method allows one to completely discard and continually dis-regard some/most of the collected datum?
Worst of all is the on-again/off-again evolutionary claim for origins. Most evolutionists today want to start w/ a single cell - poof - that’s 3 billion lines of living, self-reproducing, self-repairing code - rather than re-visit the failed ‘primordial soup theory.’
I never claimed to hold any reservations that public schools nor esp. higher education will allow any creation ideas to be fully explored. This is highly ironic since any scientist w/ integrity wanting to do true science has already dis-regarded the notion of macro-evolution.
Darwin saw a blob of tissue through his microscope over 150 year ago while Watson and Crick saw more complexity in a single cell’s DNA than all the rest of the known universe combined over 50 years ago. Since then the evolution bulb continually grows dimmer but not for want of the credentialed experts wanting to sell their ideas, books, and claim to fame.
Here’s another hint for you - mainstream anything today will not tell you of new facts/discoveries nor esp. concepts that conflict with their paradigms. Or if they are forced to they will include any disclaimers and made up just-so stories to quell the masses.
So it is really a question of cognitive dissonance ~ when science contradicts the bible which one do you consider as absolute truth and/or how far are you willing to roam off the mainstream reservation to find supporting facts, ideas and theories for the biblical accounts?
You concluded with: “I find such behavior disingenuous at best and most likely dishonest, and very reprehensible, not to mention un-Christian.” and then the next thought shows how little research you have conducted for either ‘theory’ as you would like to call them.
From my purview there will always be loads of crappy arguments against rather than for the biblical account. Some prefer to be brain-washed by only reviewing one side of the ledger esp. when it is so full of supporting books, articles, documents, ‘facts’, and ‘science.’
Anyone reading this who cares about integrity will read the creationscience link and realize Dr. Brown does provide his hydroplate theory and includes predictions and tests for falsifying. Conversely anyone attempting to explain all of creation or evolution with a mere theory will always come up short.
I won’t hold my breathe waiting for you to read any of the creation links provided ~ I think I see where you butter your bread.
If you had done some true evolution-type research before spouting off w/
“But I have tremendous problems with people who start with a dogmatic belief which they will not alter regardless of what contrary evidence is presented, and insist on calling it a scientific theory simply to insert themselves in the classroom in order to neutralize a legitimate theory that conflicts with their dogma. I find such behavior disingenuous at best and most likely dishonest, and very reprehensible, not to mention un-Christian.”
then you would have realized how well this describes supporters of evolution rather than detractors.
Who is dogmatic in their beliefs?
Who ignores contrary evidence?
Who insists they have a theory?
Who inserts themselves in the classroom?
How is it un-christian to defend the Bible and assail
anything 100% contradictory yet purporting to be truth?