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Rick Perry Categorizes Abortion as a States' Rights Issue
ABC News ^ | July 27, 2011

Posted on 07/27/2011 7:01:25 PM PDT by ejdrapes

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To: EternalVigilance
The Roe case arose out of a Texas law that prohibited legal abortion except to save a woman's life. At that time, most other states had laws similar to the one in Texas. Those laws forced large numbers of women to resort to illegal abortions.

Jane Roe, a 21-year-old pregnant woman, represented all women who wanted abortions but could not get them legally and safely. Henry Wade was the Texas Attorney General who defended the law that made abortions illegal.

After hearing the case, the Supreme Court ruled that Americans’ right to privacy included the right of a woman to decide whether to have children, and the right of a woman and her doctor to make that decision without state interference.

101 posted on 07/27/2011 8:56:19 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: right way right

“Abortion is murder.

Is murder a state right?”

Murder is a state crime - always has been. Abortion was a state crime until Roe.

“There is Law and there is morality.

Today we need a moral leader.”

Then you should be fine with Perry, as he has worked to end and restrict abortion in his state. I have no doubt that as president, he would appoint judges who would oppose Roe, and that he would sign a human life act if the Congress sent it to him. Perry is supported by the pro-life groups in his state.


102 posted on 07/27/2011 8:57:12 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: little jeremiah

If Perry is such a strong supporter of States’ Rights, then he should remain governor and forget about POTUS.


103 posted on 07/27/2011 8:57:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: ejdrapes

I also believe a fetus is a human being with the same inalienable rights as I. I also agree that it should not be up for a vote but that ship sailed years ago and it’s not coming back in to port. I’d rather see it illegal in 25 states than legal in all.

I apologize if I haven’t been clear enough up to this point.


104 posted on 07/27/2011 8:59:53 PM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: ejdrapes
Now I know why I prefer Bachmann. ;-)

I like Bachmann too. Unfortunately she has no chance for the nomination, so my dilemma is finding the most conservative candidate who can win.

105 posted on 07/27/2011 8:59:59 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Minus_The_Bear

You’re quite delusional.


106 posted on 07/27/2011 9:00:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: right way right

>> Abortion is murder.

Abortion today is violent, legal killing.


107 posted on 07/27/2011 9:00:23 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: normy
OK there is no state in the union that has legalized murder (outside of abortion) today. If Roe was overturned how is then that abortion could be legal in any state unless a state decides that the unborn/preborn do not have natural rights?

In 2007 there were 113 co-sponsors (100 Republicans) to the bill H.R. 618: Right to Life Act, which was sponsored by Duncan Hunter. This bill states: To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person. If we got 113 votes in 2007 imagine how many we'd get now. Turn the Senate conservative and elect a conservative to the White House and there's a lot that could be done with respect to abortion.

108 posted on 07/27/2011 9:01:47 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: Gene Eric
If Perry is such a strong supporter of States’ Rights, then he should remain governor and forget about POTUS.

One might reasonably ask why he hasn't lifted a finger to stop abortion in Texas, even with a super-majority in his legislature.

He and other supposed "pro-life" Republicans have actually codified the killing of innocent persons in the Texas Code.

109 posted on 07/27/2011 9:02:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: All

I need to fess up.
I did not read the whole article.

I hate when people do that.


110 posted on 07/27/2011 9:04:11 PM PDT by right way right
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To: EternalVigilance
"You’re quite delusional."

__________________________________

Said the member of the separatist party.
111 posted on 07/27/2011 9:04:31 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: EternalVigilance

>> He and other supposed “pro-life” Republicans have actually codified the killing of innocent persons in the Texas Code.

Indeed.

He’s a shallow thinker.


112 posted on 07/27/2011 9:04:42 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: Polybius
No I would prefer this: H.R. 618: Right to Life Act

A BILL

To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Right to Life Act'.

SEC. 2. RIGHT TO LIFE.

To implement equal protection for the right to life of each born and preborn human person, and pursuant to the duty and authority of the Congress, including Congress' power under article I, section 8, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress' power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress hereby declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

(1) HUMAN PERSON; HUMAN BEING- The terms `human person' and `human being' include each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including, but not limited to, the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.

(2) STATE- The term `State' used in the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States and other applicable provisions of the Constitution includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and each other territory or possession of the United States.

113 posted on 07/27/2011 9:05:08 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: EternalVigilance

So, ultimately, it hasn’t worked at all.


114 posted on 07/27/2011 9:05:36 PM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: All

I’m still holding out out for Palin.


115 posted on 07/27/2011 9:06:12 PM PDT by right way right
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To: normy
That's been the standard NRTL line for decades. But a simple reading of the decision itself puts to rest the idea that the core issue in Roe was privacy. The core issue was the personhood of the child.

Shoot, it's even on tape.

116 posted on 07/27/2011 9:06:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (For decades they've kicked the can down the road. Sorry, but there's no more road.)
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To: nodumbblonde

No you’ve been clear. And let me be clear that I believe Roe was a horrible decision and should be overturned. I don’t believe abortion to be a states rights issue but turning it back to the states is 1000x preferable to what we have today.


117 posted on 07/27/2011 9:06:57 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: ejdrapes
And you can't mentally process why Bush didn't push that through when we had a super majority?

But you are against just one state banning abortion because it offends your sensibilities?

Makes sense.
118 posted on 07/27/2011 9:08:17 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: right way right

Is she a believer in natural rights?


119 posted on 07/27/2011 9:08:20 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: ejdrapes
We just had the most sweeping House win ever and those Congressmen are mocked on the Senate floor by the last GOP Presidential nominee for trying to pass a balanced budget amendment.

The reason abortion was ever legal was because mothers and babies would sometimes die during child birth, sometimes one or the other would live. I guess abortion was terminating a pregnancy when the actual life of the mother was at risk, the actual physical life, but outside that it was not legal.

It's far easier to get abortion banned by organizing at the state level than nationally. If you overturn Roe and claim the baby is a person, who decides who lives if the mother's life is at risk? My point is that is the argument that supporters of Roe will bring up. Do you see this is a maneuver around Roe? It's a smart tactical move and all it does is revert abortion back to what it was pre-Roe vs. Wade.

120 posted on 07/27/2011 9:10:14 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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