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Grizzly attacks 7 teens in Talkeetna Mountains (Bear Spray Only, No Gun)
Anchorage Daily News ^ | July 24, 2011 | CASEY GROVE

Posted on 07/25/2011 8:28:15 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner

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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

All of Fred Bear’s bear bow hunts were backed up by a .458 Win Mag. with 500 Grain SPRN. I know one of his Kodiak guides very well. Used to partner with his son. (Marlin Grasser.)


101 posted on 07/25/2011 10:33:52 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

There was a Merkel double in .416 Rigby available locally. It was a sweet handling gun, fortunately I resisted temptation... I think it’s about $10 a bang for the ammo.


102 posted on 07/25/2011 10:34:08 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I was only going with what I know, and I know more about pistols than rifles.
He asked me about my weapons, and I replied.
I’ve got him convinced to at least think about it -about it being better to head up into known bear country for hikes and camping armed with something, rather than nothing.

Of course, I have the most effective deterrent against being attacked by bears: Don’t go into their habitat.
Works every time it’s tried.


103 posted on 07/25/2011 10:35:39 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: ZULU

Yep. That’s the ticket. 12ga with an 18.5” barrel, alternating 00 buck and slugs. Autoloader or pump.


104 posted on 07/25/2011 10:37:20 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: RandallFlagg

That’s my strategy too. It’s never failed.


105 posted on 07/25/2011 10:39:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Return to the strictures of the Enumerated Powers. The budget will balance.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Heh! Yep.
Works on sharks, too.

I’m in Denver.


106 posted on 07/25/2011 10:40:48 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

No, no. see you said “stop”, which other posters here say is the wrong terminology because it doesn’t physically stop the bear it just changes it’s behavior.

Even though we both knew what you meant.

“In 2008, BYU professor Tom Smith published a study titled”the efficacy of bear spray in Alaska. In 72 incidents, the spray stopped undesirable behavior 92% of the time for grizzlies(brown),90% of the time for black bears, and 100% of the time for polar bears.

In his database on bear spray use in Alaska, there are 40 cases when people sprayed charging bears. In 84% of those cases the bear turned away.”

That’s just one study of many. Please don’t try and tell me you know the difference between a bluff charge and and a full charge before the charge ends. That would just be stupid.


107 posted on 07/25/2011 10:41:26 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

We’ve got an estimated 4500 black bears in New Hampshire. What would you suggest as a sidearm for defense against them? I’m a long haul hiker, going 13-15 miles in mountains where the vegetation is very dense and the trails are most often only 1 person wide. In other words, there is no place to hide, you’ve got no shelter, and carrying rifles is not permitted. These black bears are 300-600 lbs; I’ve seen them on the other side of the fences in the pens where bear trainers work with them for shows.


108 posted on 07/25/2011 10:41:56 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I hand load everything and save a bundle.

The 416 has great power. Part of my preference in a charge stopper is the cartridge taper, which is why the .375 is the best choice. The rounded shoulder .458 and straight sided .416 does not feed very dependably for a follow up shot, which is most always usually the case in a frontal charge.

Of course, a .223 can kill a bear with the right angle and shot placement. But in a frontal charge, there are few options. Heavy caliber, high energy is the only choice to be safe. (Not to mention the most dependable rifle design, usually in a Mauser action.)

109 posted on 07/25/2011 10:42:45 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Eska
"...10 yards from the creek on the game trail through the alders."

I know exactly what you mean, hunted Browns last year on the Nushagak River about 150 miles north of Dillingham.

Those trails are spooky things, made triply so when those damned alders are involved.

Even the guides acted verrrry carefully when on them.

110 posted on 07/25/2011 10:42:48 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: RandallFlagg

Yeah, I’m in Iowa. The closest sharks are in the aquarium at Henry Doorly Zoo in Omaha. :-)


111 posted on 07/25/2011 10:43:12 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Return to the strictures of the Enumerated Powers. The budget will balance.)
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To: free me

Here is how you know if it was a bluff charge or not; If the bear turns away, it was a bluff charge. If it keeps on coming, hit it with your empty pepper spray bottle! (Just before it makes you into a food cache.)


112 posted on 07/25/2011 10:46:41 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: RandallFlagg

Just remember when in the ocean to make your anti-Sea Bear circle.

113 posted on 07/25/2011 10:46:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

LOL!!
Last time I was near the sea was safely on the deck of my LHA back in ‘97.

Those sea bats, however...


114 posted on 07/25/2011 10:49:52 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

In the blink of an eye, a defensive grizzly bear sow was rolling like a freight train through the willows along Peters Creek.

Then the brush was bathed in an orange-gray mist.

And in that instant, hiker Carl Ramm saw the sow’s eye go wide “and it was gone,” he said.

Neither Ramm nor his wife, Susan Alexander, clearly saw the bear leave. They heard it crashing through the brush as it beat a retreat with a cub trailing behind.

“It sounded like a small cub,” Ramm said.

The couple hadn’t known until almost the last moment that they had somehow walked between a grizzly sow and her cub along the Peters Creek Trail, eight or nine miles into Chugach State Park last weekend.

Similar situations have prompted nasty encounters with brown bears. Grizzly sows are extremely protective of their young. Statistics on bear attacks show a predominance of sows with cubs ripping into people, though they don’t often kill.

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2003/06/08/147318/bear-spray-stops-charging-sow.html#ixzz1T8j38gPO


115 posted on 07/25/2011 10:54:54 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Hodar
"Each year we have campers who are killed and attacked by bears in Utah."

Uhh, no, you don't.

Attacked possibly, but not killed every year.

116 posted on 07/25/2011 10:55:02 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

My understanding is that when Winchester re-tooled with computer controlled machinery a few years back, they switched back to the pre-1964 design / features... If so, would a new or late-model model 70 be a good choice?


117 posted on 07/25/2011 10:56:13 AM PDT by Fletcher J
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To: free me

LINK TO FULL STUDY:

http://gf.state.wy.us/downloads/pdf/RegionalNews/dh-bear%20spray.pdf


118 posted on 07/25/2011 10:57:12 AM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: free me

If you mentioned where you live, what your credentials are as an expert on bear, how and where you hunt and and any other information that might add to your credibility; I missed it.


119 posted on 07/25/2011 10:57:37 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: AlmaKing
A 44 Mag. would work against a Black Bear, given that you are a championship winning shooter. Otherwise, carry a good 30-06 with at least 180 grain round nose bullets. The only place a pistol will help you is in a tent or tree stand where you can't easily aim it.

If one charges you give it the first round in the center of the chest, or break the front shoulders. Then follow up the shot to the neck or head.

120 posted on 07/25/2011 10:58:33 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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