[Principled]

There defense is, a vote to continue debate is not a vote against anything, they will say there were some parts that needs fine tuning, same old crap different day.

Won't fly - if there were parts to fine tune, they debate to define such tunes. They voted to not even debate.

The Dems are hung it seems

[org.whodat]

No they voted to cut off debate, there is no rule that says they really need to be debating to cult off debate. Never read Roberts rules of order, it will drive you over the deep end.