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To: montanajoe; Rembrandt; MestaMachine

Its that couple of percent of actual independents that elect presidents.
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valid points! and certainly that was the conventional wisdom that McCain used, when he defended Obama, from people who dared call Obama the marxist he was.
(many of us knew about the Chicago “New Party” in 2008.)

but
McCain refused to speak the truth.
and lost.
Obama DID insult huge numbers of Americans, repeatedly.
and won.

the new conventional wisdom i’ve read, is that if you fire up your base enough to get even an extra 5%, it more than makes up for losing a few independents.
(and, with enough enthusiasm and momentum, you might even get them too.)

However, certainly i agree with you point in general, that you should avoid wildly insulting Americans.

but West carefully DIDN’T insult anyone who was naive in 2008.
he only insulted people who are too stupid to learn,
and have Obama 2012 stickers.
(and as Rembrandt points out in #44, there are very few of those...)

finally, you and i agree this is minor, compared to this:
“Because of this and my families background the WOT is my number one issue.”
that has been my number one priority also, for many years.

the democrats can bankrupt us, and do incredible damage. but America can recover.
but if the Muslim Brotherhood’s plan succeeds
(and they are already in stage 3!)
America will be gone forever.

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2740725/posts?page=4#4


110 posted on 07/21/2011 5:07:15 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Elendur
“the new conventional wisdom i’ve read, is that if you fire up your base enough to get even an extra 5%, it more than makes up for losing a few independents”

Well I'm not sure if I agree with the “new” conventional wisdom as it would apply to a presidential election. Much of the conservative base is in “fly over country” which pretty much will go GOP by wide margins and have few electoral votes. Its the 6 or 8 big electoral battleground states where the independents have the most influence. For the most part the electorate is evenly divided in those states giving the independents their influence and ability to turn the election for the winning candidate. In Senate and house elections energizing the base may be enough assuming the right runs a good candidate.

You are right it is a war against Islamic fascists I still call it the WOT simply because most folks pretend it doesn't exist and I don't want to further confuse them with a new name...

I generally stay off the political threads because even here most folks refuse to see that we are losing and neither political party seems able to grasp we are under attack and we will be under attack for generations by a ruthless enemy who will not stop until they win or they are destroyed.
I posted in this one only because I support Col West as he is the only candidate who gets the fact that we are at war. I was disappointed but not surprised by most of the responses to my post as being from folks that not only cant read but much worse cant comprehend the real danger we face.

115 posted on 07/21/2011 9:51:23 PM PDT by montanajoe
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