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To: tobyhill
They are going to raise the debt ceiling and they are going to raise taxes disguised as “closing loopholes”.

Not raising the debt ceiling was never a viable option. When you are running $1.6 trillion deficits and 43 cents out of every federal dollar is borrowed, you can't abruptly fail to raise the debt ceiling. The issue is what you can get in return. That is what we should be looking at in terms of judging the Reps. If the Reps fail, then it is time for a third party. As a Tea Party member, I would recommend having a national Tea Party summit and go from there. Losing in 2012 will be better than rewarding people who have betrayed their promises. I hope the Rep leadership understands what is it at stake. If they don't hold the line, there will be consequences.

The whole futile CCB bill is nothing more than a prelim to raising the debt ceiling and debt.

Futile my a$$. If the Reps don't push for its passage, then they are fools. They are holding a winning hand in these negotiations. Let August 2 come and go and let's see who cracks first. Obama will be forced to decide who the winners and losers will be when parceling out the limited funds. The Reps in the House have already authorized raising the debt limit, provided cuts, and vowed not to raise taxes. They just need to stand firm.

66 posted on 07/19/2011 9:31:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I would love it but I don’t believe the GOP will hold the line even if they could.


67 posted on 07/19/2011 9:45:48 PM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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To: kabar

I’m trying to get my info as you suggested and happened to find this. It also clarifies a little more what I said in another thread about my dislike of political games at the cost of America.

You said: Let August 2 come and go and let’s see who cracks first. Obama will be forced to decide who the winners and losers will be when parceling out the limited funds. (end of excerpt)

I know you are just quoting what many seem to want to happen, so please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what I would call grandstanding (”trying to impress an audience” in my commoner’s definition - just so we are clear this time around, to win the next election), and this bothers me. The callous concern for what Obama would do, and in fact the hope that he WILL do something harmful to our country so he looks bad and “we win”, is very disturbing.

These kinds of political plans may help win elections, but they put the well being of our country at risk just as well. Who WANTS to put our lives in the hands of Obama, especially when we already know he would love to create chaos?

This may very well be what will indeed happen. Perhaps it will be the only thing that works out by August 2, but I do not look forward to the harm I believe will come from Obama’s decisions if left to them. I just can’t get to the point of hoping our country will be hurt just to win the next election.

Are my words meant for a plea to compromise? No. I am just asking that we not get too excited about having bad things happen at the hands who those that are ready to hurt our country just so we can throw blame to win elections.

At least let’s be solemn about what may be at hand and what cost we may have to endure.

I also think a hefty amount of prayer for protection from what Obama might try to do would also be in order at this time. Hoping we get hurt though? Just hard to get excited about.


80 posted on 07/21/2011 8:24:42 AM PDT by casinva
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