“Sister Wives” clan to challenge constitutionality of Utah’s polygamy law (It's come to this)

Hotair ^ | 07/12/2011 | Allahpundit

[Dead Corpse]

You sir are an arrogant SOB!

Arrogant yes. Leave my Mother out of this and I'll leave yours out.

You think yourself a "gifted" intellectual and better capable of determine what is right for the masses?

No. That is YOU doing that. I want each person to make up their own mind without people like you sticking a government gun in their face.

Some of us want to have a stable country and trust in God's law as a basis for stability for our offspring and future generations.

Which God? Your God? My God? Glen Beck's God? Anton LeVey's God? How about a government predicated upon individual responsibility and freedom? Or is that STILL too much to ask after 230+ years?

[Dead Corpse]

We already have laws against assault, battery, and intentional harm. So what does having GOVERNMENT regulate marriage do for us?

Besides giving Gays a delusion that their perversion can be made mainstream by government edict that is...

Take your time. I'll wait.

[MrB]

Do you believe that one man, one woman marriage have any intrinsic value that promotes a stable and productive society?

Is it government’s role to promote a stable and productive society? (see the preamble)

[Dead Corpse]

Yes.

No.

Freedom is sometimes messy and problematic. I'd rather live with the attendant issues of too much freedom rather than the problems attendant with too little.

People on your side of the issue refuse to think that BECAUSE you wanted YOUR version of Marriage codified and protected under Law, that just maybe someday that power could be turned on it's head to promote types of marriage that you DON'T like.

You are literally being hoisted on your own petard and you refuse to see that if things were left alone to begin with we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The LGBT community is using your own hammer to beat you with and you dare castigate me for thinking that maybe leaving the government out of the equation is the better solution?

[MrB]

So the reasons given in the preamble for establishing the government under the Constitution were incorrect.

OK. That’s your opinion.

[Dead Corpse]

Ok... So how is giving Gays legal standing to redefine marriage by giving government the power to regulate marriage in the first place “ensuring domestic tranquility” or “securing the blessings of Liberty”?

[MrB]

fallacy of complex question.

Giving the government power to endorse legitimate marriage does not give homosexuals legal standing to redefine it.

[JohnnyM]

"Why is government sanctioning marriage to begin with"

Sorry I took so long getting back to you. Busy day :)

I actually think your point here is very compelling, but I still think government has a role in legal issues related to marriage (i.e. custody, divorce, estate planning and inheritance, etc), which means marriage needs to be recognized by the government in some way. So I am having a hard time grasping what the legal landscape would look like if marriage is not recognized by the state.

JM

[Dead Corpse]

The legal landscape really wouldn’t look all that different, it’d just be absent a requirement to get a license from the government and their concomitant attempt at re-defining what Marriage means.

If your Church requires a legally binding contract, then it would be up to them to get you to sign it and remediation would be through civil courts. Same for joint property and custody rights.

[Dead Corpse]

Giving the government power to endorse legitimate marriage does not give homosexuals legal standing to redefine it.

Not in a sane world, no. However, take a look at what Courts and Legislatures are doing around the Country and tell me with a straight face that we live in sane times...

[JohnnyM]

thanks for your response!

[MrB]

Granted. I guess we’ll just have to get off our asses and do something about those “courts and legislatures”.

[Dead Corpse]

I heartily agree.

[broken_arrow1]

Arrogant yes. Leave my Mother out of this and I'll leave yours out.

Mother? I said your wife...it must have been a Freudian slip!

[KittenClaws]

Well, we agree; and yet we don't. Yes, winning a war is about focus...but being able to comprehensively focus on a million details -- all while strategically spearheading advancement on multiple fronts.

I can't say you are wrong. The devil is in the details and we must remain aware of those details - connect the dots. Perhaps I was just feeling a bit cranky when I posted.

[KittenClaws]

Well, multi-tasking also involves setting priorities straight at the moment as well. If one knows exactly which front one is getting trashed on, make that front priority number one for the moment.

It seems conservatives are getting trashed on all fronts - everything is a priority at one time or another.

Note to myself: Sensory overload should be avoided

[cookcounty]

The next thing is that people will be calling to lift the ban on incest because after all, it’s an efficient way to speed up expression of gene mutation and thereby advance evolution.

[Dead Corpse]

No. You called me an SOB. That has nothing to do with my Wife.

See? This is why you don’t win arguments like this one. You can’t even keep your insults straight much less logic or facts....

[broken_arrow1]

Okay, you win. Go ahead and get some neighbors that are polygamists. That will show me how smart you are.

[broken_arrow1]

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