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To: mlo
He kept saying it had to be proven beyond “any and all reasonable doubt” and such similar construtions. That’s not right

Please don't take this the wrong way as I mean no offense, but is English your primary language?

The phrases "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "beyond any and all reasonable doubt" are functionally the equivalent. If the word "reasonable" had been left out then your assertion would have merit.

1,688 posted on 07/05/2011 3:44:34 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
"Please don't take this the wrong way as I mean no offense, but is English your primary language?"

Yeah, of course you meant no offense. If you meant to offend you would have said it rudely. /sarcasm

"The phrases "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "beyond any and all reasonable doubt" are functionally the equivalent. If the word "reasonable" had been left out then your assertion would have merit."

No, the word "reasonable" doesn't have that effect.

What I explained and you've missed somehow is that it matters what you mean by "all reasonable doubt". You might have some reasonable doubts about particular bits of evidence, without having doubt about the ultimate conclusion. The lawyer repeatedly expressed it in a way (and I was not quoting all his repeated comments) to sound like any doubt about anything meant a not guilty verdict.

1,847 posted on 07/05/2011 4:50:10 PM PDT by mlo
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