Posted on 07/05/2011 7:27:58 AM PDT by freebird5850
Just saw a bit of Geraldo w/O’Reilly from last night....all anyone here has to know about this is that Geraldo sees it as just.....that right there ought to give pause to anyone willing to see this travesty of justice as ok. If you want to justify Casey walking go stand with Geraldo the nutjob.
I don’t think it is a death of common sense.
I look at it this way: The entire, randomly selected group of 12 people on that jury could not ALL be idiots. And they came to the conclusion pretty damned quickly.
That tells me that if you filter out all of the crap that you and I heard on the TV, radio and newspapers, then the prosecution did not present enough evidence to tie her directly to the crime.
I’ve sat on a couple of juries (criminal not civil) I was really surprised at the amount of stuff that we did not hear. And, I was kind of surprised at the deliberations: The people on the jury were smart and did not buy into a lot of garbage that was thrown at us.
I had done a lot of work in organizational behavior and I was looking at the process with a “professional” interest as well. I did not see “groupthink”, nor did anyone try to bully anyone else.
In fact, we had one woman that was not “sure” at the start. In the end, several of us stopped the process to really make sure she was OK with the guilty verdict. We all said, at different times, that we had all the time in the world, and WE wanted to make sure she did not feel like she was pushed into the verdict.
Using that as a background, I feel pretty comfortable that the jury did their job as they saw it.
Do I think she killed the kid? Yeah, probably. BUT I think it was probably more akin to manslaughter and not first degree murder. And I think she freaked. And I think her Dad helped with the disposal.
Is she a weirdo? Yes. Is her family dysfunctional? Yes.
The search teams screwed up when they did not want to get their feet wet when that guy called in August and said he thought he saw the body. If you want to think about devine providence, that was it. And it moment passed without the police seeing it for what it was. Because no one wanted to get their feet wet.
But I think if there was a lesser charge, below aggravated manslaughter, they would have gotten a conviction. My guess is eventually, after the jury signs the book deal, that they will say just that.
And yes, I think the jury was together so long as a group, they developed the same camaraderie that you would get in any closed group: Military, Fraternity, etc. They will act as a group for a while. And I bet they will sign a book deal.
Finally, I think we will see Casey on the cover of some magazines. I think she will be on Oprah’s new channel sometime this fall. I predict she will pose naked. She will be a celebrity of the sorts of Loraina Bobbit (sic), Tanya Harding, and the Long Island Lolita Amy Fisher. And even in the sense of Lizzie Borden.
In the end here are the lessons I think we should all learn: When the notice for jury duty comes in the mail, embrace it. Be involved, and use YOUR common sense (not yours specifically-—but the generic, third person YOUR). And, attention to detail and being willing to get your feet wet are essential to solving problems.
Casey Anthony, or Tot Mom, is now part of American Pop/Crime Culture. And she will be richer than you and I for making a horrible mistake in her life. I hope she has gotten some smarts and keeps herself clean and quiet for the next fifty years.
I needed to laugh...really.
Yes, I do. Baez accused the state of being emotional and then related emotionally nutty charges of incest and drowning while the state gave solid, unemotional evidence of a cold-hearted, brutal murder.
Someone just told me Cheney Mason (the Foster Brooks of this case) gave the finger at the media during their big party last night. Do you know some idiots have compared this buffoon to Atticus Finch?
I despised the state’s investigation, prosecution tactics & the judge way before the verdict came in. I despise when people do a crappy job & have a poor ethic, especially when they are in our criminal justice system. I despise the fact the jury had no choice, if they were honest, but come up with any verdict other than the one they did. Circustantial evidence is fine, but, like I said, when the circumstantial creates more questions than answers, THEN there is a problem.
The police theory is Casey came home after her father had left for work. Promised Caylee she could swim; but Casey had to go inside to get swimming suits. While she was inside she took the bag containing the needle and bottle with the chloroform brought it outside and injected Caylee with it. Caylee died and Casey went to neighbors to borrow a shovel. Returned shovel and put Caylee in bags and big laundry bag and put her in car. They believe she murdered Caylee where the dogs hit. The first question is what is Casey doing with chloroform and a needle? Not once did those dogs hit around the pool.
I can’t imagine what is going to happen if Casey is turned loose and PR people get a hold of her. The jury made a bad call.
They need jurors that can think. I will never buy a thing from Verizon. If they are dumb enough to hire people so stupid; I don’t want to shop there. There were I believe two people on the jury who work for Verizon.
i would’ve hung it also. no matter what.
Well, I never mentioned a “lynch mob”.... but keep trying to justify the rudeness....maybe you’ll come up with something....
Sad, isn’t it?
As a prosecutor, I used to remind every jury that “reasonable doubt” does not require that common sense be left outside the jury room. The defense attorneys hated my repititon of the phrase, but it was necessary because the defense constantly tried to imply that “reasonable doubt” required every detail of a crime be fully revealed.
For example, the defense would hammer home the fact that one witness said the defendant was driving a green car and another witness said it was a blue car - thus, we have “reasonable doubt”. Of course, the color of the car had nothing to do with the fact that the car was used to run over an ex-spouse.
In this case, the remaining questions or doubts surround issues that do not pertain to the elements of the crime. For example, how exactly did Casey kill her daughter ... what time did the murder occur ... what good reason did Casey have to kill her daughter. These questions were smoke and mirrors used by the defense to cloud the normal judgement of jurors. Unfortunately, these jurors were easily fooled.
You and I have not interacted in any posts before. Pleased to meet you, DrewsMum. Now, if I may, here is the problem.
I've read a number of your posts. You have REPEATEDLY stated you didn't follow the trial much and you asked for a lot of clarification of very basic facts and evidence. There is nothing at all wrong with that and it seems to me that trial-watching FReepers were happy to oblige.
HOWEVER, when you go on and on about how you think the prosecution did not prove its case, in light of the above facts, it grates on the nerves of FReepers who have given this case a tremendous amount of their time and paid very, very close attention to the facts and evidence, and who are heartsick at what they consider a true miscarriage of justice. Personally, I consider this verdict a travesty, and I work in the legal field. (Not an attorney.)
With all due respect, would you not concede that perhaps your evaluation of the strengths and weaknesses of the state's case might not be quite as accurate as that of persons who have watched and listened far more closely than you?
Gee, I always thought when people lie big time; they are covering up something.
Thanks. I still think it all stinks but, like you said, what else is there.
So that's all it takes.
Shallow. Deeply shallow.
Good God...make it stop.
Is Casey really smart enough to make chloroform? How hard is it? I wonder if THAT got presented as evidence.
Very interesting and thanks for passing it along. However, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me for a few reasons but I’m glad I have the info. I am going to read more to educate myself.
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