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To: Kevmo
These guys have not individually or collectively detonated a ton of TNT.***Yes they have.

You really need to pay attention. The argument of the LENR crowd is that these effects are very subtle and difficult to measure. There is nothing subtle about the energy content of a ton of TNT.

Thank you for the link to Rothwell's book. The first thing I discovered was that in order to download it I had to fill in an application to find out my credit rating.[sic!] What is up with that? Needless to say, I did not take up the invitation and just read it (skimmed it actually- reading it is too painful, like trying to read the manifesto of some leftist organization) in its inconvenient on-line format.

Here is a claim in Rothwell's book: "This cathode produced 85 megajoules of heat after death, and at least 97 megajoules during the experiment, which is enough to drive an average U.S. automobile 27 kilometers....The actual total was probably hundreds of megajoules....... cold fusion appears to fuse deuterium to produce helium, releasing heat in the same ratio as hot fusion does. The comparison ends there...A hot fusion reaction that produces a watt of heat will also generate a deadly flux of neutrons, killing all observers....

I would only note that he does not describe much less explain this difference, then going on an irrelevant digression about what is wrong with hot fusion.

And if I had something that threatened to glow red and melt-down I would not be going home at night and coming back in the morning and saving my unwitnessed claims for some future date. I would be there with camera's and video cameras and getting every colleague from 100 miles away to come witness and take measurements. I would turn the lights off and get pictures of the red glow and I would get pictures of the boiling water and I would be measuring the temperature with a pyrometer and I would have every goddamned nuclear instrument I could beg borrow or steal.

69 posted on 07/03/2011 8:04:19 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

And if I had something that threatened to glow red and melt-down I would not be going home at night and coming back in the morning and saving my unwitnessed claims for some future date. I would be there with camera’s and video cameras and getting every colleague from 100 miles away to come witness and take measurements. I would turn the lights off and get pictures of the red glow and I would get pictures of the boiling water and I would be measuring the temperature with a pyrometer and I would have every goddamned nuclear instrument I could beg borrow or steal.
***And then your colleagues would say you are a crackpot. That is what has happened to some of those who reported their observations of this phenomena.


76 posted on 07/03/2011 1:40:41 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: AndyJackson; sbkrivit

AJ: These guys have not individually or collectively detonated a ton of TNT.
Kevmo: Yes they have.

***From the same journal that this article is yielded...

Indeed, as noted by Krivit [18] recently, there have been several unexplained “excess heat boil off” incidents
accompanied by significant energy release reported in LENR literature over the last two decades, starting with a major
explosion/meltdown incident involving a 1 cm cube Pd cathode that Fleischmann has discussed, all of which seem to
suggest that “runaway mini nuclear explosions” have all along been suspected to happen in Pd samples heavily loaded
with deuterium, but only on very rare occasions. A widely circulated but unpublished recent assessment of the LENR
field carried out by the US Defense Intelligence Agency [19] has even raised the question: “If rapid explosive energy
output can occur in one or several modes, could LENR serve as a high energy density explosive?”

...............

[18] S.B. Krivit, Cold Fusion, Chapter in Encyclopedia on Electrochemical Power Sources, Vol. 2, Elsevier, Amsterdam, 2009, pp.
255–270.

Note that the author is a Freeper so I’m cc’ing him. Not that he ever responds to my posts...


78 posted on 07/03/2011 1:48:35 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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