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To: raygun
Your cited article continues its BS: In the deflated state the electron has the kinetic energy to hop back to its chemical energy orbital existence, i.e. coexists with that existence. However, if a deuteron tunnels to close proximity to a deflated state deuteron, fusing, the charge of the nucleus just doubled. The electron is now energetically trapped in the deflated state. The energy it subtracts from the nucleus depends on the distance of the electron from the nucleus at the time of the collapse, i.e. its size, which is a random variable.

Even assuming that this impossible deflated state were to exist, it exists with an energy that is degenerate with, i.e. exactly equal to, the energy it had when it was participating in the electron state that formed the chemical bond. Since its energy is not different (and cannot be in fact) it cannot subtract 4 MeV or so from the mass energy of the free deuterium nuclei, and cannot suppress the normal fusion channels. Conservation of energy allows us to go way back in the past and add up all of the energies pre deflation state (mass energies, heat energies, chemical bonds), and go way forward in the future and add up all the energies and expect the books to balance. What happens in between stays in between, tunneling virtual particles and virtual transition or whatever.

But the guy's ignorance does not stop there. He the hypothesizes that the deflated electron must be confined to a space the size of r = 2.4×10^-16 m. This is 2/10th of a fermi. He is asking that an electronically bound electron have a wavefunction at chemical energies more compact than that of a strong force bound proton, so its momentum must be about 3 x that of a nuclear proton. Since it has 1800 times less mass, its velocity is 1800*3 times higher, and total energy which is P*P/2*m is 9*1800 or 16,000 times that of the proton. Now, at this point we have to consider relativistic effects, which I have ignored, but we are talking 20GeV electrons that must be bound by an electromagnetic force that is maximally tens of eV (the ground state binding energy of the Hydrogen atom). Even if the strong force were to be invoked that only provides binding of a few MeV per particle.

There are two points to this this observation. First is that this guys by guessing and by goshing is off by not factors of a few, or of ten, or even a hundred, but by 10's of billions.

Second, I hope that I am conveying some of the reasons for why this entire LENR crowd is taken as charlatans by any serious scientific researcher. Anyone can go through the numbers that I have gone through and determine just exactly how far these guys have departed from reality. If they were only off by factors of 3 or 5 then one would have to be much more careful and much more precise. But when anyone can take out a piece of paper and show that they are off by the age of the universe in years, they cannot be taken seriously.

122 posted on 07/04/2011 5:04:23 PM PDT by AndyJackson (u)
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To: AndyJackson

There are two points to this this observation. First is that this guys by guessing and by goshing is off by not factors of a few, or of ten, or even a hundred, but by 10’s of billions.
***You do exactly the same thing. Your refusal to answer the question about whether you accept the observations is one demonstrable way. Let’s say your objection to those 14,000 observations is that the operators don’t know calorimetry well enough, even though everyone who does these experiments is aware of the objection. Let’s say the chances of making a calorimetry error are 1/3. The chances of EVERYONE involved making substantial error is 1/3*1/3*1/3... 14thousand times... making it (1/3)^14000. The mathematical cutoff point for the impossible is typicall (1/10)^50. That makes you off by billions and billions, by thousands of orders of magnitude.

I can see why you won’t answer the question.


127 posted on 07/04/2011 8:22:41 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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