Not born this way: The facts, plus help available

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[scripter]

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[OldGoatCPO]

Now we know why the DOD has to cut healthcare costs to vet and dependents. They will see sky rocketing cost from the infux of homosexuals.

[fwdude]

This article contains rationale facts, which will immediately cause the homo-ingratiated to screech and flee in horror. So it will do little good.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I think there are two types of homosexuals; biological and imprinted.

A small percentage of homosexuals are biologically gay due to hormonal imbalances in the womb. Rats can be made homosexual by putting the mother in extreme stress during pregnancy, for instance.

Imprinted homosexuals are those whose first sexual experiences were homosexual. The vast majority of homosexuals are this way.

[scripter]

Many of the above links could easily be their own thread. This should be a great reference article.

[StolarStorm]

It isn't a gene it is the level of testosterone during pregnancy that alters the brain.

Having grown up down the street from a kid that painted his toenails and liked dolls as a child, and of course grew up to be gay, I have no doubt at all that some gays are born that way.

There is no way some of the more extreme flamers are of the same gender that I am, and there is no way it is a result of upbringing or "attitude".

[scripter]

As someone who has followed the science on this subject since 1991: If you could find some science or any credible scientist to support your position I’m more than interested.

[BykrBayb]

If they truly believed that they were born that way, they wouldn’t be in schools trying to convert children.

[scripter]

A small percentage of homosexuals are biologically gay due to hormonal imbalances in the womb.

I've heard that quite a few times but have never seen any science to support it. That is, I haven't read any study that hormonal imbalances are causal to same-sex attraction.

[dhs12345]

Good point.

One fact: homosexuals cannot procreate. This means, if it is a genetic trait, it will have faded away into nonexistence... if you believe in natural selection which most Liberal/progressives do.

[scripter]

This means, if it is a genetic trait, it will have faded away into nonexistence...

From a scientific perspective, it could be recessive. Still, I haven't read any credible studies that it is.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I've heard that quite a few times but have never seen any science to support it.

Homosexuality: A Natural Cause?

"Abstract: Male rats were exposed to prenatal (i.e. before they were born) or postnatal (after they were born) stress, or both. The prenatally stressed males showed low levels of male copulatory behavior and high rates of female lordotic responding. Postnatal stress had no effect. The modifications are attributed to stress-mediated alterations in the ratio of adrenal to gonadal androgens during critical stages of sexual differentiation. Specifically, it appears that stress causes an increase in the weak adrenal androgen, androstendione, from the maternal fetal adrenal cortices, or both, and a concurrent decrease in the potent gonadal androgen, testosterone."

Parental Stress Feminizes and Demasculizes the Behavior of Males, Science, January 7, 1972 (83-84).

[dhs12345]

No doubt, exposure to it will >create< more homosexuals or bisexuals.

It is not unlike an addiction. Starts out small and ends up ruling a person’s life... looking for that next level of thrill.

There may be other driving factors, but this one of the causes.

[TheBigIf]

There is no scientist or doctor who could predict or announce at birth the future sexual behavior of any newborn child.

The same goes with any social behavior.

Through the years I have seen studies that have claimed to find the alcoholic gene, studies that claim to find behavioral traits among children that may mean that they could become a serial killer, etc....

None of these studies though find any definitive test for predicting the future social behavior of any new born child or even older child or even adult.

Thus any support of giving corrupt or criminal behavior rights as if they were innate behavioral traits is an extremely dangerous precedent.

[StolarStorm]

Since I'm not an expert on the subject I'll have to defer to other posters to provide that evidence. I've just read a few articles here and there about it.

But having also been around a lot of gays at a former company (airline... they love working for airlines), I just can't see how some of them couldn't be born that way.

It can't all be just "affections". Some of them went out of their way to appear "manly" but everyone could still tell. Based on lots of interaction with them, I just can't see how their could not be a biological difference.

They may choose to BE gay in the sense of active involvement, but I'm not so sure they choose how they are deep down.

[dhs12345]

Good point. But gayness is a huge hindrance to procreation.

Gays cannot procreate.

Agreed about the credible studies — interesting that there hasn't been a study. Maybe because it isn't PC.

[hellbender]

I've seen some "butch" lesbians who definitely look as if they have too much testosterone for a normal female. Since testosterone helps muscles grow and increases aggression, higher levels give some women an edge in sports. Think of the disproportionate number of female athletes who are gay: Billy Jean King, Martina Navratilova (more muscle and less fat that a typical woman)...

As for the males, there are gay males who look and act very macho.

[scripter]

Thanks. I’ll take a look.

[hellbender]

Actually, homosexuals can procreate if they are not exclusively homo in their behavior. Think of certain Congresscritters who were “happily married” with multiple children before they were caught one night going the other way.