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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Please don't inject reason in the discussion. I'm an Engineering Manager for DOD. I manage/lead about 50 government and contractor engineers. I made more money 8 years ago when I was a grunt engineer in private sector. I was doing this at a GS-13 salary up until recently. I came to DOD because of the unique lab I would be working. Seemed like a good idea at the time I took the job. Now i am in management and the money still isn't as good as our regular engineering contractors that support us. It was my choice and I don't regret the decision. I'm getting to do some very useful stuff for the war fighter but the money is about 25K less. I had better benefits at every company I worked for previously compared to the DOD. So that's BS.

Maybe some other areas the government over pays but it isn't in engineering. Based on my time of service and how bad the economy is I have a feeling I will see a RIF in 3-5 years. I have the death nail on my resume now - Government Worker. I feel very pessimistic about everyones future.

I know there are bad government employees (10%) and in private sector I would say (3%-5%) are worthless. So 2 to 3 times more dumb asses running around at DOD. I'm sure its worse (MUCH WORSE) in those areas that are positively unconstitutional in their scope (Dept of Energy, Education, ...)

I don't take it personal when everyone bashes Govt employees. I just picture the dumb ass down the hall that “works” 3 hours a day and bitches about how busy she is and figure everyone is talking about her. :)

34 posted on 06/01/2011 8:20:47 PM PDT by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is to lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: Free_in_Alabama

I’m in the same boat as you.

I left (lost, actually) a great private sector job in 2002.

I now work for the VA - and just now, in 2011, have managed to match the salary I had in 2002. My current job is much more complex and technical then my private sector job ever was, for the whopping salary of $49,000.

As for the comments about how great Fed benefits are - really? The health insurance is so expensive we use my husbands, Holidays and vacation are just normal - I had more at my private sector job. What other benefits are there? We can’t even get coffee for a department staff meeting. I buy my own pens and planner, and folks who telework pay for their own internet. My private sector company paid for all of that.

My office is an old nasty building that doesn’t even have central air. There is so much work and so few staff everyone in my office takes work home (we don’t get OT either).

People really have no idea what they’re talking about when they start whinning about how great Federal employees have it.

Do I think there are useless employees, useless jobs and even useless agencies? Yes. But the broad brush sweeping all of us as lazy, underworked, overpaid rubes is way off base.


40 posted on 06/02/2011 5:11:08 AM PDT by mom4melody
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