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AZ Police Under Scrutiny After Opening Fire on and Killing Marine (admit nothing illegal in home)
Fox News ^ | 05/27/2011 | Fox News

Posted on 05/27/2011 3:03:59 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

These attacks, were they carried out by a single entity like the federal governmen, would look mighty like classical Terrorism, random violence against the citizenry by the State to keep the people confused and unable to organize or even consider opposition or even thinking. I suspect that is actually what this will develop into after a while.


41 posted on 05/27/2011 4:59:41 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: arthurus

“The reports said they hit him 61 times.”
/// the 71 total remained unchanged (as the police changed other details.
but ALL the reports, for many days, said 7 hits.
( i remember, because many FReepers commented on their accuracy.)
since he remained alive, for 1 hour and 14 minutes, while SWAT refused to let medics in, and his wife begged 911 for help, i think the original 7 is likely correct.


42 posted on 05/27/2011 5:03:32 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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bump


43 posted on 05/27/2011 5:03:58 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Yeah...I noticed this a while back too...

Wonder where they got the inspiration for that original concept....


44 posted on 05/27/2011 5:07:55 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Dupnik should hang for this.

Yep, this is the idiot who blamed the shooting of Congressman Giffords on the "Tea Party" without a single thing indicating any connection. Nothing. He is a total political hack and a fraud masquerading as a Police Chief.

45 posted on 05/27/2011 5:14:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

These pictures tell the story.

The Brady group complains about American gun nuts.These are the gun nuts.Licensed to kill.

Grown men dressing up like soldiers and going on a hunt, hoping for a chance to take a shot at someone.

This sh*t has become absolutely ridiculous. It’s gotten so that the Official police uniform has become more of an SS uniform. When you go out to a concert or a car race they dress in military clothing with the object to intimidate. At Motorcycle rallies it is rare to see a police officer in his regular dress uniform, all are dressed in this military regalia.


46 posted on 05/27/2011 5:17:23 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

That crap should be outlawed.


47 posted on 05/27/2011 5:20:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Elendur

I think the stories released yesterday say 22 hits to his head, torso, hands. (not sure where else)

I just read this on another website: “Pima County Deputy William Fosmire, who was outside the house, told detectives he thought bullets were aimed at his colleagues because “we were briefed before that the muscle of the DTO (drug trafficking organization) was at this house.”


48 posted on 05/27/2011 5:20:59 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: petitfour

Public Statement:

http://pimasheriff.org/files/9213/0574/4466/Officer_Involved_Shooting_Update.pdf

“Dupnik will make the decision to release the information when the investigation is completed, the danger to innocent lives has been mitigated, and all agencies involved have been given the opportunity to review the actions of their personnel. “


49 posted on 05/27/2011 5:23:27 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: petitfour
Pima County SWAT guys were wearing sunglasses when they busted into a dark house

Problem was not their vision, but their head up their A$$

50 posted on 05/27/2011 5:26:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil; The Magical Mischief Tour

well Dupnik did just release a lot, and the video is already in British papers.
and the wife’s statement, shows it is likely the rifle was planted. it is very clear the wife didn’t know about it - only the pistol, and she seems to say she saw SWAT place the “big gun” next to her dying husband. all here:

Statement of Vanessa Guerena (wife of Marine killed by AZ SWAT.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2725997/posts

Petitfour in Post 18 gives a very moving summary, with much info i didn’t know.


51 posted on 05/27/2011 5:33:40 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The SWAT team descended upon Guerena's home thinking it was one of four houses associated with a drug smuggling operation. But nothing illegal was found during a subsequent search of the residence.

The lawyer for the police said that every item named in the warrant was found in the house. They may not be illegal to own, but if they are linked to crimes by the group being investigated, then of course they would have led to an arrest.

52 posted on 05/27/2011 5:42:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Venturer
It’s gotten so that the Official police uniform has become more of an SS uniform.

Remember...Obama promised that he would have a domestic army as well equipped as the national army. What will these 'citizen 'SWATers' do when called upon to assault a neighbor? Well, you just saw an example.

53 posted on 05/27/2011 5:42:43 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Moonman62
The lawyer for the police said that every item named in the warrant was found in the house. They may not be illegal to own, but if they are linked to crimes by the group being investigated, then of course they would have led to an arrest.

Do you have a link for that lawyer's statement?

54 posted on 05/27/2011 5:53:21 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Elendur

Thanks for the link.

Had not heard details about the wife and the incident.

Swat team is toast, Dupnik is toast (and deserves worse).


55 posted on 05/27/2011 6:16:57 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Zhang Fei
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/vmix_2c967b74-8257-11e0-a39b-001cc4c03286.html

It's a video.

56 posted on 05/27/2011 6:18:15 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: walkingdead
Figure at least 65 misses? Maybe more?

71 shots. 60 hit him - They were close range.

bullets through walls - they KNEW there was a 4 year old child in the house! Are there NO RULES OF CAUTION when children are involved?

Then they REFUSED him medical aid. His wife called 911 and a EMT team, stationed only a block away, were there immediately - They would NOT let them in! for and hour and 14 minutes - at which time they told them they were not needed, he had died - they let him bleed out.They lied about his having shot at them first - evidence showed he never took the safety off. They lied about finding evidence - and now have to admit there was none.

One could wonder if, there wasn't a child involved, the wife might have also ended up dead - no witness. But there was NO WAY they could spin a dead kid.

I pray this case starts a move to end these Brown Shirt/Gestapo raids.

57 posted on 05/27/2011 6:18:24 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the other hand)
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To: Moonman62

Found it:
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_a978c23a-a40f-5d0a-a203-76b88ac67e86.html?mode=story

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The search warrant was not directed at any particular person, and Guerena’s name was not mentioned, but it was targeting whoever might be inside the residence, Storie said.

If SWAT members had been let into the home, those inside “probably ... wouldn’t have been arrested,” Storie said.

While the SWAT team was at Guerena’s home, another SWAT team was serving a search warrant in a nearby home as part of the same investigation, and Storie said a man showed up during the search and said, “You shot my relative.”

Storie believes somebody called from inside Guerena’s home and alerted family members to the shooting.


Unquote

The story has changed. Nobody is saying that anything illegal was found in the home. Now we are hearing that Guerena was targeted as part of a gang. More and more, the signs are of a major blunder and cover-up.


58 posted on 05/27/2011 6:20:55 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: maine-iac7
I pray this case starts a move to end these Brown Shirt/Gestapo raids.

Absolute 100% agreement with that. This militarization of local LEAs is totally unacceptable.

59 posted on 05/27/2011 6:29:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Moonman62

The Pima County Sheriff has a reputation for running his mouth, as he did after the Griffith shooting. If he manages his investigations and police raids the way he controls his mouth, the odds are that it is that very sloppiness that led to Guerena’s death. Maybe it was a snitch who provided bad information to get some quick cash for his next fix. Or the cops might simply have gone to the wrong house under the influence. Were the cops tested for drugs? Alcohol? Is drug and alcohol testing even part of Pima County Sheriff’s Department’s post-weapons discharge SOP?


60 posted on 05/27/2011 6:39:55 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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