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To: smokingfrog
The big question still remains unanswered. Who fired the first shot?.

That's not the big question. The big question is why do we have paramilitary organizations committing urban warfare against our homes? The burden of proof that we have a MAJOR drug dealer/terrorist/known suspect in a high felony such as murder/rape. We must know the ADDRESS. We must have high level of certainty that the perp is there and civilians are few if any. That should be minimum qualifications before even getting a warrant.

7 posted on 05/26/2011 10:44:29 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: douginthearmy

Yeah, this wasn’t a “THIS IS THE POLICE, WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED, COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP!” operation.

The brief siren sounds like a car alarm, I heard no loud verbal announcements, and imagine what you’d think, waking up and hearing a pounding at your door, your wife telling you that there are armed strangers outside, followed by a shot (door breaching), the door being kicked in, and masked armed men entering your home.

When they saw him with a firearm, they shot him to pieces.

This is a recipe for executing a perp or murdering a homeowner, strictly depending on if they get the address right and the tip isn’t bogus.

I bet Bin Laden got more of a chance to surrender than this guy got. I’m not saying he’s innocent of the crime that brought the cops to his door, that remains to be seen, but it looks like his only chance to avoid being shot full of holes was to abjectly prostrate himself the second they poorly identified cops started beating on his door, and that goes against everything the Marine Corps teaches you.

It’s disturbing at the very least, and if it turns out they went after an innocent man, it’s an outrage.


11 posted on 05/26/2011 10:59:26 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: douginthearmy
The big question is why do we have paramilitary organizations committing urban warfare against our homes?

The answer is pretty simple. Your government is teaching the public to OBEY.

It's the same reason the USDA just fined a family $90,000 for selling pet rabbits. http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/25/usda-fines-family-90000-for-se

It's the same reason that the Feds accused Bernard notHaus of "terrorism", sentenced him to prison for the rest of his life, and seized all his property for the crime of selling silver coins?

It's the same reason that they subject your 3-year-old to a pre-incarceration-style patdown when he passes airport securtiy.

OBEY. Obey, comrade.

17 posted on 05/26/2011 11:11:12 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: douginthearmy

good point.

...and the wife saw the man through the window. she tried to communicate with him. clearly, he saw her.
so, the SWAT team then KNEW that at least the wife was home, and probably at least one child, when they previously thought they weren’t.
yet, they stormed it anyway.
the wife, AND a neighbor, confirmed there was no sirens, no announcement, and certainly no knocking for 45 seconds.

also, the story changed many times. SWAT later admitted, his saftety was on, and he never fired.
but another thing that changed, is the number of hits.
i saw many times early, “7 hits out of 71 shots.”.
the 71 remained, but later the 7 became 60.
i remember, because many commented on the terrible accuracy.

i believe the 7 was correct. how could he lived for an hour 14, with 60 bullets? (and, they try hard to not mention, he was still alive when the wife came out of the closet...)

this stinks worse than the COSTCO murder by SWAT of the West Point graduate, in Nevada.


25 posted on 05/26/2011 11:28:13 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: douginthearmy
That's not the big question. The big question is why do we have paramilitary organizations committing urban warfare against our homes? The burden of proof that we have a MAJOR drug dealer/terrorist/known suspect in a high felony such as murder/rape. We must know the ADDRESS. We must have high level of certainty that the perp is there and civilians are few if any. That should be minimum qualifications before even getting a warrant.

This reminds me of the ATF attack on the DK compund in Waco, Texas. The ATF/FBI could have easily have picked up DK with little, if any, resistance or danger during his daily run into town; but then again, that would have deprived the AFT, FBI, and other LEO of the oppurtunity to play with their expensive toys.

The same situation in Tucson. If the press can find out where the guy worked and what time his shift was over, they probably could hjave picked him up then without firing a shot.

154 posted on 05/27/2011 12:59:20 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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