[Durus]

I am serious, in fact I'm constantly told that it's a failing of mine.
Libertarian's morality may be different from yours but they are moral in their own way. I've talked Libertarians around on abortion (not that they are unified in being pro-abortion), because once they get past the irrational liberal talking points it is clear that abortion is murder. I've talked libertarians around on homosexual-marriage because once they get past the liberal talking points it's easy for them to grasp that it's not a enumerated power of government to regulate that which is a religious and cultural institution.

Porn and prostitution are both immoral, in my view, but libertarians don't see it that way. No force or fraud is required to perpetrate either. That is their moral standard. What is your moral standard?

I'm sure you aren't saying that government has unlimited power to regulate anything at all and that you do believe in the constitution which carefully enumerates the (only legitimate) powers of government.

The times in which we live are not very unique. We are not facing new unique problems. People are the same vain, selfless, selfish, caring, hateful, heroic, venal, loving race that we have ever been. We live in a unique nation however, one that was created by selfless brilliant people that risked everything and succeeded against all odds. In a very real way we are a miracle nation, one that we have had to fight and bleed and die for. Remember our fallen heroes, not only on this Memorial day but everyday, because without them who knows where we would be. They fought for their families, and their neighbors and their States. They fought for their honor and their Nation. They fought for our constition.

We, here, sitting in front of our computers, should not be thinking about ways to twist our constitution to mean things it plainly didn't. The constitution is our social contract, the foundation of our government and that which our society sprang from.

[little jeremiah]

There are two ways to determinate morality.

1. From God - And the same moral basics are taught in every religion in the world; even Buddhism which is not theism. The standard is already there.

2. Peoples’ minds invent what they like and don’t like and call it “morality”.

Number 1 is Real morality, and number 2 is invented nonsense that is the product of fallible minds deciding what they like and calling it “moral”. And the funny thing - when “morality” becomes whatever anyone wants to call it, then the guy/s with the biggest voice and biggest guns have the final word. IOW, anarchy followed by tyranny.

[little jeremiah]

The men who wrote and signed the Constitution left such morality issues up to the states. They never considered that state laws against pornography, prostitution, sodomy and the like were unconstituitonal at all.

Only because of the communist founded ACLU, porn producers and various leftists have those laws been declared “unconsititutional” by rogue SCOTUSes.