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DEA accidentally finds guns from ATF "gunwalker"
CBS News ^ | May 19, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 05/20/2011 11:14:22 AM PDT by neverdem

CBS News has learned that the DEA has confiscated a stash of assault rifles connected to ATF's Fast and Furious operation. It's a major seizure of weapons in the controversial ATF case that's the subject of at least two investigations. Sources say it's believed the suspects intended to take the guns to Mexico.

Sources say DEA accidentally came upon the guns while stopping suspects in an unrelated case in the Phoenix area on April 13th. When agents stopped at least two suspects, they found two giant garbage cans full of dozens of AK-47 type weapons wrapped in cellophane. Sources tell CBS News that a trace on the first weapon showed it was purchased in Nov. 2009 by a suspect in ATF's Fast and Furious case.

Gunrunning scandal uncovered at the ATF

Insiders allege that ATF allowed more than 2,500 weapons purchased by suspects to "walk," or hit the streets. The current seizure underscores the fact that most of those weapons are still on the street and unaccounted for.

At least two suspects were arrested in the April 13 DEA gun bust. Since then, sources say ATF and DEA have been in a tug of war over who should hold the weapons. The DEA is said to want to keep the weapons (and its own case) separate from ATF controversy. Today, the Dept. of Justice, which oversees DEA and ATF, provided no immediate comment or information.

Major ATF shakeup after "gunwalker"

Court documents indicate ATF Fast and Furious suspects purchased at least 52 AK-47's in November of 2009 (see chart below), and bought hundreds more weapons between Sept. 2009 and Dec. 2010. It's unknown how many times the weapons have changed hands between the time they were purchased, and last month's DEA seizure.

Sources indicate the owner of the Lone Wolf Trading Company and other gun shops were cooperating with ATF by repeatedly selling weapons to suspects. Some ATF agents and gun shop owners involved objected to the controversial strategy; worried that the "walked" guns would be used to kill innocent people. Supporters hoped it would eventually help ATF gain intelligence to take down a Mexican cartel.

ATF quickly rounded up Fast and Furious suspects after two guns they allegedly let "walk" showed up at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December.

Alleged Nov. 2009 purchases by suspects from the Lone Wolf Trading Company in ATF Fast and Furious case (source: U.S. District Court of Arizona Indictment Jan. 19, 2011)

Nov. 3: Suspect Joshua David Moore purchased 2 AK-47 type rifles

Nov. 10: Suspect Moore purchased 5 AK-47 type rifles

Nov. 12: Suspect Moore purchased 3 AK-47 type rifles and suspect Alfredo Celis purchased 10 AK-47 type rifles

Nov. 17: Jose Angel Polanco purchased 1 AK-47 type rifle and other weapons

Nov. 24: Suspect Jaime Avila purchased firearms and Suspect Uriel Patino purchased 5 AK-47 type rifles

Nov. 25: Suspect Dejan Hercegovac acquired 26 AK-47 type rifles, and delivered them to suspect Manueal Fabian Celis-Acosta, and an auto shop in Phoenix


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; gunwalker
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From Espresso Pundit on the reassigning of the “heads” of ATF (Arizona) A good read IMHO

http://www.espressopundit.com/2011/05/has-the-media-missed-the-local-angle-on-this-national-story.html


21 posted on 05/20/2011 12:35:29 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Joe Brower

Sharyl Atkisson, who was described by Laura Ingraham as the one and only person who treated her decently during her time there.


22 posted on 05/20/2011 12:36:49 PM PDT by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: neverdem

Wonder if the ‘reimagining’ of the Fourth Amendment has any tie ins to this crap?


23 posted on 05/20/2011 12:45:24 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: neverdem

Let me guess the serial numbers have been obliterated but they were able to get partial numbers that matched.


24 posted on 05/20/2011 1:51:03 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...My theory is, college student body presidents become DEMS orRINO's.)
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To: neverdem

Cellophane seems like a strange choice for wrapping the ‘AK-47 type guns’ (whatever that means).


25 posted on 05/20/2011 2:22:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: neverdem

It makes you wonder if the ATF particularly cared where the guns ended up or whom they killed.

Was the purpose of ATF’s Fast and Furious operation just to dumb up business?


26 posted on 05/20/2011 2:24:13 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Aroostook25

Yep they needed a reason to reinstate the assault weapons ban and then go further.


27 posted on 05/20/2011 2:28:35 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Aroostook25

Yep they needed a reason to reinstate the assault weapons ban and then go further.


28 posted on 05/20/2011 2:28:38 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Ken H
So drug war cheerleaders, how's that drug war working out for you?

The "War on Drugs" would be much more accurately stated as the "War on the Bill of Rights"... especially now that the Indiana Supreme Court says you have no right to resist an unlawful LEO/official entry... and if they don't leave that is functionally equivalent to quartering troops. (Goodbye 3rd Amendment!)

29 posted on 05/20/2011 2:29:43 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
The "War on Drugs" would be much more accurately stated as the "War on the Bill of Rights"...


30 posted on 05/20/2011 2:49:40 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Depressing. (But accurate.)


31 posted on 05/20/2011 3:01:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: neverdem
Gotta love this line from the story:

Supporters hoped it would eventually help ATF gain intelligence to take down a Mexican cartel.

I guess the Moonshine,Cigarettes and Fire-sticks bureaucracy has been short of intelligence as of late.

32 posted on 05/20/2011 3:01:26 PM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: PAR35
Cellophane seems like a strange choice for wrapping the ‘AK-47 type guns’ (whatever that means).

Not if you plan to bury them out in the desert near the border and take a GPS coordinate to send in code to the Mexican drug gang.
33 posted on 05/20/2011 3:09:39 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I was simply pointing out that there are still patriots around, even in LE.


34 posted on 05/20/2011 3:10:09 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: neverdem
no friggin way the BATFags should ever be allowed to get anywhere NEAR those weapons!!!
35 posted on 05/20/2011 3:12:58 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: neverdem
I'm surprised CBS would actually report this. They are so far up Zer0's ass he needs a glass stomach so they can see where they are going!
36 posted on 05/20/2011 3:28:34 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: PAR35
Cellophane seems like a strange choice for wrapping the ‘AK-47 type guns’ (whatever that means).

I would imagine that it was industrial stretch wrap film. What they use to wrap items up on pallets for shipping instead of binding bands of steel or nylon.

37 posted on 05/20/2011 4:07:49 PM PDT by Ghengis
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To: Aroostook25; neverdem; pmac
Since there are no significant number of AK-47 type “assault rifles” being used by criminals, the anti-gun administration has to supply those rifles AND make sure they are sold to criminals. Then the administration and their anti-gun comrades in crime point to the number of those AK-47s used by criminals as reason for more gun control.

They seem to be looking for an excuse to gut (further) the 2nd amendment. Remember in 2009 LINK: GAO Ties U.S. Guns to Mexico Violence? Guns from criminal sellers or from the ATF? Sometimes it's hard to see the difference.

38 posted on 05/20/2011 6:18:58 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: neverdem
This is why 0

Bombed Libya

Got Donald Do Do to part hairs over a BC

Release "a" BC

Kill OBL. No questions axed!


Unfortunately for Eric Holder and his Peeps, they will soon be Perps!

39 posted on 05/20/2011 6:54:43 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Joe Brower
Bttt.

5.56mm

40 posted on 05/21/2011 5:16:43 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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