[Cicero]

Here’s the writer’s web site. Professor at the Chicago seminary of the United Church of Christ.

http://www.ctschicago.edu/index.php/mnuacademicprograms/faculty/85-susan-thistlethwaite

[muawiyah]

Every single member of that crowd would break before you could really get started with the rough stuff.

That's their defense against the utility of torture ~ that they, themselves, have no moral grounding.