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To: Springfield Reformer

What do you call the people who deliberately spread the falsehood that they were in a position to know and that Obama had no birth certificate. What do you call the people who insisted that the long form would contain information contrary to the COLB?


1,272 posted on 04/27/2011 4:01:54 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Put Trump in charge! It worked great for the USFL!)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

As an attorney, I have to listen to two or more sides of nearly every story. Proving an intentional lie is harder than you might think. I judge a lie to have happened only when I can show by either hard evidence or irresistible inference that the teller knew what they were saying was false. Otherwise, most people believe what they’re saying when they say it, even if on occasion they are wrong. That does not make them liars.

For example, the HDOH employee testified to what he believed to be common knowledge in the department that the long form birth certificate did not exist. In court, to prove that to be a lie, you would have to come up with credible evidence he did not believe his own words, such as written or oral testimony from coworkers that he had personally inspected the long form or positively knew by other means it existed, and yet said otherwise. No such evidence of deliberate falsehood exists in the public record. Therefore, at face value, his testimony stands as a true expression of his belief, whether accurate or not.

A further clarification might even make his claim to honesty stronger, as the document released today is self-identified as an abstract, meaning it purports to be derivative from a more original document, with more information than the COLB, but less information than the document exactly as filed in 1961, hence an abstract. If he could testify that he was speaking of that primary, 1961 original, or an exact facsimile thereof, then he could still maintain there is no such document, and there would be no evidence released to the public, including today’s document, which could make that out to be a deliberate lie.

Furthermore, inasmuch as the primary, original birth certificate, exactly as filed in 1961, is still not available to the public, it would be impossible to judge those as liars who sincerely believe there would be contrary information between that and the COLB. There is simply no way to determine either the truth or falsity of such a statement.

So, like the lawyer on the radio says, you have no case. Put in another quarter and try again.


1,334 posted on 04/27/2011 8:34:32 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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