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I'm used to responding on these secession threads with the knowledge that there's no way I'll convince any of LCers to give up their absurd positions. They reason backwards, if reason is the right world. What I do wish to do is put stuff out for the casual observer who might be persuaded by their insane "logic" that maybe secession is the way to go. They, LCers, will never accept the reality of what caused the civil war, slavery, and the fact that no oppression of the south was going on.

It has been written about, even by many of them, for decades that Lincoln was not going to touch slavery. Until they forced his hand. In short, the south shot itself in the foot. If they didn't rebel, the "peculiar institution" would have gone on for at least a few more decades. The secessionists are responsble for whatever destruction occurred. And rest assured, if anybody in my state of Wisconsin tried to organize some sort of secessionist movement, I'd gladly favor the feds to come in and hang each and every one of them. I'm a citizen of UNITED!!! States of America, but just a resident of Wisconsin, a state I love dearly.

And rest assured, if anybody in my state of Wisconsin tried to organize some sort of secessionist movement,

apples and oranges. it wasn't just "anybody" in the states, it was the states themselves. maybe your failure to understand this difference is why you consistently fail to get every other point being raised.

I'd gladly favor the feds to come in and hang each and every one of them. I'm a citizen of UNITED!!! States of America, but just a resident of Wisconsin

Wow, just wow! fascist bootlicking words if ever there were any said on FR. the "union" of states is forced by might at all costs. whenever it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...well, they better dammsure do it by force if you have anything to say about it.

And in the event of a failure of every constitutional resort, and an accumulation of usurpations and abuses, rendering passive obedience and non-resistance a greater evil, than resistance and revolution, there can remain but one resort, the last of all, an appeal from the cancelled obligations of the constitutional compact, to original rights and the law of self-preservation. This is the ultima ratio under all Government whether consolidated, confederated, or a compound of both; and it cannot be doubted that a single member of the Union, in the extremity supposed, but in that only, would have a right, as an extra and ultra constitutional right, to make the appeal.

Secessionist...treasonous...hang him! (That would be Mr. Madison's noose.) If your go-get-em-and-hang-em spirit isn't the Spirit of '76 then I don't know what is! (/sarc)

And rest assured, if anybody in my state of Wisconsin tried to organize some sort of secessionist movement, I'd gladly favor the feds to come in and hang each and every one of them.

Mirror, mirror on the wall / Who in the land loves licking boots most of all? To which driftless2's mirror always replies: There are no federal bootlickers better than you!!