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To: Mr Rogers
“Sujets naturel” is a phrase, just as “natural born subject” is a legal phrase, not 3 words that just happen to be next to each other.

Absolute nonsense. Each of the words can be independently translated, else Vattel wouldn't be using "naturels" by itself. Holy crap. This is an utterly stupid reply on your part. Stupid.

78 posted on 04/25/2011 10:48:33 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

“Each of the words can be independently translated, else Vattel wouldn’t be using “naturels” by itself. Holy crap. This is an utterly stupid reply on your part. Stupid.”

Then the translation of “sujets naturel” would OBVIOUSLY be “natural subject”. And Vattel never used “sujets naturel”, and “naturel” was translated “native” in all translations of Vattel.

The 1797 mistranslation turned “indigenes” into “natural born citizen”. While my ancestors came here from Germany in the 1720s, I would not be considered an indigenous person of the US, would I...although I am, undoubtedly, a native citizen, natural born citizen, plain citizen, etc.

There is simply no way to read NBC into Vattel, unless you rely on a bad translation of “indigenes” 10 years AFTER the Constitution!


80 posted on 04/25/2011 10:53:24 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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