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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
It comes as no surprise that the 1960s Church of Satan lifted most of its high-camp gospel from Ayn Rand. And, in turn, Rand may have lifted some of her gospel from earlier satanists like Ragnar Redbeard and Aleister Crowley.

Stuff-and-nonsense! Hasn't anyone read her work?!

Epistemology

"Man's reason is fully competent to know the facts of reality. Reason, the conceptual faculty, is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses. Reason is man's only means of acquiring knowledge." Thus Objectivism rejects mysticism (any acceptance of faith or feeling as a means of knowledge), and it rejects skepticism (the claim that certainty or knowledge is impossible).

Objectivism rejects mysticism! You can't have you cake and eat it to. Satanists believe in mysticism and the angel fallen from Heaven. All of this is balderdash and tripe. It is utterly impossible to find connections between Satanism and Objectivism.
21 posted on 04/25/2011 12:38:07 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

“Satanists believe in mysticism and the angel fallen from Heaven.”

That’s not necessarily true. Many Satanists reject the Biblical view of Satan as an actual being... instead they are nothing more than humanists... LaVey even praised humanism as true Satanism.


29 posted on 04/25/2011 1:25:57 AM PDT by streetpreacher (Don't be part of the Karl Rove/Mark Levin Natural Born Losers Club; Fight Like a Girl!)
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To: higgmeister
Objectivism rejects mysticism! You can't have you cake and eat it to. Satanists believe in mysticism and the angel fallen from Heaven. All of this is balderdash and tripe. It is utterly impossible to find connections between Satanism and Objectivism.

Actually, most real satanists say that they don't actually believe in "satan," per se, as a spirit or demonic force. Instead, they just believe in the "principle" driving satanism, that of man's own greatness, etc. - "satan" is merely a figurative symbol they use. It is, in fact, more similar to Objectivism than many Objectivists are likely to be comfortable with.

"Man's reason is fully competent to know the facts of reality. Reason, the conceptual faculty, is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses. Reason is man's only means of acquiring knowledge."

Ironic, since this statement itself is a faith-based statement that meets Mizz Rand's own definition of "mysticism," since there is no way it can ever internally verify itself.

Stuff-and-nonsense! Hasn't anyone read her work?!

This brings up yet another point - which is that a lot of people HAVE read her stuff - we just don't think it's any good. Frankly, I didn't need Ayn Rand to teach me a thing about liberty. Her books are stiff, obnoxious idiocy, and I frankly find it to be a terrible commentary on the intelligence and knowledgeability of American conservatives that so many of us think that we have to read Ayn Rand's books or watch some movie about one to "learn about freedom." Truly, Americans increasingly have no discernment.

37 posted on 04/25/2011 3:23:34 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: higgmeister
Epistemology "Man's reason is fully competent to know the facts of reality. Reason, the conceptual faculty, is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses...

Why do I need Rand to tell me this when it was said a lot better by Aristotle and countless others a long time ago?

Objectivism rejects mysticism!

You mean, Objectivism rejects Christianity. Which is true. Christianity embodies both "mysticism" and "altruism" and so has both of the supreme Objectivist devils rolled into one. Perhaps once the Randians get powerful enough, they'll find ways to get rid of this troublesome mysticism-altruism that causes all the world's problems. Who knows, maybe they'll even join the jihad against Christianity.

72 posted on 04/25/2011 7:32:33 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: higgmeister
Satanists believe in mysticism and the angel fallen from Heaven. All of this is balderdash and tripe.

From the First Church of Satan (FCOS) website:

The First Church of Satan does not recognize the existence of Satan as an actual being, but as a symbol representing materialism. The church emphasizes that the figure of Satan stands for an inner attitude, and it is never to be regarded as an object onto which human powers are projected in order to worship what is only human in an externalized form. In The Satanic Bible, Satanists are charged to Asay unto thine own heart, ‘I am my own redeemer.’ (Book IV, line 3.)

It is utterly impossible to find connections between Satanism and Objectivism.

Rand and Objectivism has been popular with satanists for a long time, and this has been known for a long time. The thread article is hardly the first to point this out. Satanists identify with Objectivism quite readily and derive inspiration from Rand's writings. A simple search with google can establish this. Satanists speak warmly of the virtues (is that a word they'd use?) of Rand and Objectivism, and recommend them. Those are sufficient causes for a normal person to be skeptical of Rand and her Objectivism.

97 posted on 04/26/2011 5:48:10 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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