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What Have the Tea Party and the Church of Satan Got in Common? Answer: the Sinister Ayn Rand
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | April 24th, 2011 | Tim Stanley

Posted on 04/24/2011 10:07:56 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: Puckster

Well stated.


61 posted on 04/25/2011 6:27:20 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: aruanan
They all use toilet paper? They all breathe air? They all are confined to the Earth or near orbit? They all eat food of some kind or another? They all use language? They both are subject to ridiculous comparisons by all sorts of people with a polemical objective?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/546409/posts

PsyOps - Guilt by Association.

62 posted on 04/25/2011 6:34:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
From what I understand of Ayn Rand, she believed any form of altruism was foolish and ‘evil’ (in her understanding of what the word meant). Not the sort of position any right-thinking christian would or should ever take...

She also said that "an embryo has no rights" and that "abortion is a moral right."

Here is Ayn Rand on God. She says that God is incompatible with reason.

63 posted on 04/25/2011 6:47:32 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
She also said that "an embryo has no rights" and that "abortion is a moral right."

I don't accept her conclusions but I can still accept objectivism as a guiding philosophy. The problem comes when objectivism or any other philosophy is turned into dogma.

64 posted on 04/25/2011 6:58:58 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
They're the object of cult worship by those who can't think to use discernment for themselves?

That is practically the opposite of what Ayn Rand proposed for a philosophy.

65 posted on 04/25/2011 7:04:32 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer

Uh, if you say so.


66 posted on 04/25/2011 7:07:23 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Actually, most real satanists say that they don't actually believe in "satan," per se, as a spirit or demonic force. Instead, they just believe in the "principle" driving satanism, that of man's own greatness, etc. - "satan" is merely a figurative symbol they use.

L. Ron Hubbard's philosophy was a naive kind of science-worshipping naturalism and rationalism brought to crackpot levels of extremism. In his philosophic outlook, 'mysticism' was the bad guy -- the corrupting influence on people which needed to be weeded out. And this meant Christianity, belief in God, etc., -- these parasitic beliefs cause all the problems in the world. This is much like Randism. However, Hubbard really was a satanist, for real. It is interesting to note that Robert Heinlein was a friend of Hubbard. Heinlein is a much loved science fiction author among libertarians and objectivists (and satanists too). All three: Hubbard, Heinlein, and Rand, used fiction as a vehicle for promoting their philosophies.

67 posted on 04/25/2011 7:09:16 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: palmer
I can still accept objectivism as a guiding philosophy.

Why?

68 posted on 04/25/2011 7:11:53 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Oh, noes. The telegraph.co.uk has found us out. We’re all a bunch of satanists.


69 posted on 04/25/2011 7:14:35 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: aruanan

Come now, aruanan, we are FReepers. We are not as other men.


70 posted on 04/25/2011 7:18:15 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Humanism IS Satanism.
See tagline


71 posted on 04/25/2011 7:20:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: higgmeister
Epistemology "Man's reason is fully competent to know the facts of reality. Reason, the conceptual faculty, is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses...

Why do I need Rand to tell me this when it was said a lot better by Aristotle and countless others a long time ago?

Objectivism rejects mysticism!

You mean, Objectivism rejects Christianity. Which is true. Christianity embodies both "mysticism" and "altruism" and so has both of the supreme Objectivist devils rolled into one. Perhaps once the Randians get powerful enough, they'll find ways to get rid of this troublesome mysticism-altruism that causes all the world's problems. Who knows, maybe they'll even join the jihad against Christianity.

72 posted on 04/25/2011 7:32:33 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Texas Eagle

The Telegraph.co.uk is the only paper that gives the news..that was just a commentary.

The Telegraph exposes news that the media here fails to cover or investigate. It uncovered background on the Fort Hood shooter before the government got their act together. Course it takes time for the government to cover up and perform damage control, and be PC before details are reported...the media here just regurgitate the AP. And we know the AP didn’t investigate the source of their duped story a couple weeks ago before shooting it out to the press.

This story above was an exception by one blogger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk

May wish to read todays news eventually you drop the MSM in the US unless bites are on your Google home page.


73 posted on 04/25/2011 7:40:19 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: PapaBear3625
But in attacking her, they make people wonder what the fuss is about, putting her book Atlas Shrugged at #18 on the Amazon best seller list this week (#2 if you just look at the literature/classics category).

A thread from Objectivism Online: Atlas Shrugged Amazon book-bombing Help send the book to #1 on bestseller list

74 posted on 04/25/2011 7:43:05 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

It anchors all knowledge to the facts of reality: existence, consciousness and identity. It helps tremendously to understand science and reject subjective science. As a philosophy of life it is a little less useful but still helps me understand and appreciate work, productivity and purpose. About 25 years ago a guy at a competing company said that my problem was that “I live to work”. 25 years later I still have that problem.


75 posted on 04/25/2011 7:54:37 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
A thread from Objectivism Online: Atlas Shrugged Amazon book-bombing Help send the book to #1 on bestseller list

Freeping an online poll? Wonder where they got that idea???

76 posted on 04/25/2011 7:55:44 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
You mean, Objectivism rejects Christianity. Which is true.

Yes, unfortunately that is true. But objectivism also rejects other forms of mysticism and subjectivism that lead to liberal politics and politicized science. The antidote is not conservative dogma, but objectivism in everyday life. Faith is not incompatible with that objectivism, but it takes considerable intellectual effort which I myself have not expended (nor did Ayn Rand).

77 posted on 04/25/2011 8:01:29 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer
It anchors all knowledge to the facts of reality: existence, consciousness and identity. It helps tremendously to understand science and reject subjective science.

Sounds like Aristotle and scholasticism. So why do I need Objectivism if I have 2000 years of Aristotle and scholasticism to draw on? It's far more developed and well though-out than Objectivism.

You were able to reject conclusions coming from Objectivism. If a conclusion is reached by Objectivist reasoning then it should be compelling to reason, at least to the reasoning faculty of an Objectivist. His reason should assent to it. But you say the conclusions can be ignored. Maybe Objectivism has little to do with reason in the first place, and more to do with sophistry, polemics or fiction-writing.

78 posted on 04/25/2011 8:10:35 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

It’s hard to determine the exact point where Objectivism derails, but IMO it is in ethics and morals where a certain amount of reality is ignored by the more dogmatic objectivists. It is a nontrivial task as they themselves acknowlege: e.g., what is “good”? It is the one of the highest level, most abstract concepts built on a large base of underlying concepts.


79 posted on 04/25/2011 8:43:15 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Ethan Clive Osgoode said: "If it [Objectivism] rejects faith in Christ, it's no better than marxism or Islam. "

That's quite a leap.

I've never been much of a "joiner" because it is rare that I sufficiently identify with any given group's beliefs and goals that I felt comfortable being a member.

But what I do believe is much closer to "Objectivism" than to "Marxism" such that I find your statement rather troubling. Objectivism may "reject" Christianity, but I don't recall reading anything that suggested that Christians should be sent to penal institutions or death camps by Objectivists. My reading of Objectivism is that objectivists just want to be left alone by Christians.

I also am not aware of any analogy in Objectivism of Islam's mission to kill the infidels.

I don't claim to be an expert, but isn't it even a stretch to refer to "Christianity" as though it is one thing and not many things some of which are contradictory?

80 posted on 04/25/2011 11:35:59 AM PDT by William Tell
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